Where Have You Gone? Grief, Mediumship and the Love That Keeps Reaching Us

Where have you gone?

I think it may be the oldest question grief asks. It can arrive in the quiet moments: setting out two cups instead of one, reaching for the phone to ring someone, hearing a familiar laugh from a stranger across the street.

As I write this, it is a year since my dad passed. I sit with the spirit world most days of my week, and I have still caught myself asking that question.

It is also the question that started Dutch medium Danielle Nijhuis on her path into mediumship, and it sits at the heart of the conversation we recorded for Soul Sync. Going back to that conversation now, a year on from losing Dad and only weeks after he came through to me in the sanctuary at the Arthur Findlay College, I hear it differently. So rather than retell Danielle's story, I want to sit with the question itself: what it asks of us, what it asked of her, and what it has asked of me this year.

The question underneath grief

Grief researchers have a name for this part of loss. The psychologist John Bowlby and the British psychiatrist Colin Murray Parkes, who spent his working life alongside bereaved people, described a phase of yearning and searching. You know the person has died, and part of you keeps looking for them anyway: in familiar places, in a scent on a jumper, in a voice in a crowd.

I find something deeply human in that. The mind understands what has happened, and the heart keeps looking. Parkes is often quoted as saying that the pain of grief is just as much a part of life as the joy of love. The searching, in other words, is love that still has somewhere to go.

As a medium, I would add one thing. Sometimes the heart is looking in exactly the right direction.

Danielle's search

Danielle was 24 when someone she loved deeply passed suddenly to the spirit world. She had been raised Catholic, and the answers she had grown up with didn't fit the size of what she was feeling. If there was a heaven where everything was at peace, where was he now? What about judgement, and personal responsibility? Nobody could tell her.

Then things started happening at home. Lights came on and off. She heard words spoken out loud, outside her own head. She told me, very simply, that she thought she was going crazy, so she went to her doctor. She was told she was too sensitive and hadn't accepted her grief.

Danielle was far from alone. In 1971, a Welsh GP called Dewi Rees interviewed 293 widowed people in mid-Wales for a study published in the British Medical Journal. Almost half of them had seen, heard or sensed their husband or wife after the death. Most had never told anyone, not even close family, and Rees concluded the experiences were a normal and helpful part of grieving. Researchers now call them after-death communications, and they have been studied all over the world since.

Something else Danielle said has stayed with me. The counselling she received helped, she told me, but it seemed to expect grief to move in a straight line, and hers didn't. Grief research has moved a long way on this. Two researchers at Utrecht University in her own country, Margaret Stroebe and Henk Schut, developed what they called the Dual Process Model. Their idea is that healthy grieving moves back and forth: we turn towards the loss, then turn back towards rebuilding life, then towards the loss again, with rest in between. It is less a ladder and more a tide.

What none of it could give Danielle was an answer to her question. So she went looking for one herself, first at a demonstration of mediumship and then at a workshop where, on the anniversary of his passing, she saw a spirit person with her own eyes for the first time.

When an answer arrives

In 2012 Danielle made her first visit to the Arthur Findlay College. She expected to learn about platform mediumship. Instead she found her name on a list for a trance and physical mediumship week with the late Glyn Edwards, a teacher I only know through his books and his Sitting in the Power recordings. She was frightened and told him she didn't belong there. He suggested she give it three days. She never left.

That week led her, over the following years, to sit with physical mediums, including Scott Milligan and David Thompson. At one séance with David Thompson she took her dad along, aged 65, as an independent checker, sitting right at the front to make sure everything was above board. A child guide called Timothy called out her name. Then, as she describes it, the person she had lost at 24 materialised. He spoke to her in Dutch, a language the medium doesn't speak. He touched her and kissed her forehead. And he apologised to her dad.

It lasted about five minutes. "That was long enough," she said, "to say, okay, I accept." That was her pact: if the spirit world could answer her question, she would spend her life serving it.

I have sat in very few séances myself, and I know a story like this asks a lot of anyone hearing it for the first time. What moves me most is the shape of the answer more than the phenomenon itself. He was still recognisably himself. He still knew her. And he still cared about putting something right.

Healing goes both ways

That apology is the part of Danielle's story I keep returning to this year.

It suggests that the people we love don't simply stop where they left off. Something was still being mended on his side, too. Danielle's guide, John, says much the same in her book about guides and the spirit world: that in working with us, they are learning and developing as well, and deepening their love along the way.

Grief research has its own language for this. For much of the last century, healthy grieving was understood as gradually letting go. Since the 1990s, the idea of continuing bonds has taken hold instead: the relationship with the person who died carries on, in a changed form, and can keep growing. I don't need a study to tell me that, because I have watched it happen with my own dad.

A year with my dad in the spirit world

Dad came through to me quite soon after he passed, and I have written about some of his messages before. We had a fiery relationship in this life, and our relationship has kept developing since he died. My grief has changed shape over the year too, as grief tends to.

What has surprised me is how much he has changed in the way he communicates. Each time he has come through, it has been a little clearer and a little more confident, as though he has been learning the language of the spirit world, and learning how to speak it through someone else.

A few weeks ago I spent a week at the Arthur Findlay College immersed in trance mediumship. I went in with a very open mind, and I came home feeling healed in so many ways. That week, Dad came through one of my teachers, Eileen Davies, in the sanctuary.

[Optional: a line or two of what Dad said, in your own words, if you would like to share it publicly.]

The words of love he gave me touched my heart more than I can easily put into words. As a medium, I know how much effort it takes the spirit world to blend with us, to be understood and to get even one clear sentence across. I can only imagine what it took for him. And it showed me something I hadn't fully let myself believe: he has healed too.

There was one more thread I only discovered while writing this. Danielle's teachers over the years include Eileen and Christine Morgan, the same two mediums whose teaching shaped mine. Two mediums from two countries, shaped by the same teachers. I love that.

How grief has changed my mediumship

Grief is the foundation of what I do. Not every reading begins with a loss, but most of them touch one. Someone sits down with me holding a name in their heart, and none of us knows who will step forward.

My mediumship has changed this year, and so has my understanding. I have been on the receiving end of messages from my own dad, so I know from the inside what a single detail can mean when it lands. That is why I work the way I do. I ask sitters to answer only yes, no, don't know or maybe, so that what comes through is from the spirit world rather than from me. (I explain what happens during a mediumship reading step by step, if you would like to know more.) Evidence matters because it answers the real questions underneath the first one: are they still themselves, and are they still with me?

Evidence is only part of it, though. What I want most for every sitter is to feel the presence of the person they love, not only to hear about them. That is where I have seen healing happen.

If you are grieving and wondering about a reading

The right moment to see a medium is a personal one, and you are the best judge of it. Some people book within weeks; others wait years. A few gentle questions can help:

  • What are you hoping for? Evidence that they are still themselves, a sense of their presence, or the chance to say something left unsaid?

  • How would you feel if someone else came through first? The spirit world decides who steps forward, and sometimes it is the person we least expected.

  • Who is around you? A reading can sit alongside the support of friends, family and grief services, and it often works best that way.

Researchers are only beginning to study what readings mean for bereaved people. Julie Beischel and her colleagues at the Windbridge Research Center have suggested that readings with mediums may help some people by affirming that continuing bond rather than asking them to let go. The research is still early, and I would rather tell you that honestly.

If grief feels heavy right now, talking to someone can help. In the UK, Cruse Bereavement Support offers free support, with a national helpline on 0808 808 1677. And if after-death experiences ever leave you frightened or unsettled, your GP is a good first step.

Mediumship begins with your story

I asked Danielle to leave us with a final thought. She said that mediumship is not a gift, in the sense of being handed to a chosen few. We all have a story, she said, and wherever we are in life, the spirit world is walking with us.

Where have you gone? A year on, my honest answer is: closer than I thought. Life is eternal, love keeps reaching for us, and every one of us is a soul of unlimited potential.

Spiritual Takeaways

  1. "Where have you gone?" is one of the most natural questions love asks. Searching is part of grieving.
  2. Sensing a loved one after they die is common. In one landmark study, almost half of widowed people had done so, and most had told no one.
  3. Grief moves like a tide. Turning towards the loss and turning back towards life are both part of healing.
  4. Evidence heals because it answers the deeper questions: are they still themselves, and are they still with me?
  5. Healing carries on in the spirit world too. Our loved ones keep growing, mending and learning how to reach us.
  6. The bond continues after death, and it can keep changing for the better.
  7. Mediumship begins with your own story. Wherever you are in life, the spirit world walks with you.

Questions about grief and mediumship

Where do our loved ones go when they die? Spiritualist mediums understand the spirit world as a different state of consciousness rather than a distant place. Many mediums describe it as being all around us, more like a frequency we can attune to than somewhere far away. Our loved ones continue as themselves, with their personality, memories and love intact.

Is it normal to sense a loved one after they die? Yes. In a landmark 1971 study, almost half of 293 widowed people in mid-Wales had seen, heard or sensed their husband or wife after the death. Most had told no one, and the researcher regarded the experiences as normal and helpful. If such experiences ever feel frightening or distressing, speak to your GP.

Can a medium help with grief? Many people describe a reading as deeply comforting, especially when the evidence is clear and they feel the presence of the person they love. Early research suggests readings may help some bereaved people by affirming a continuing bond. A reading works best alongside other support, such as family, friends and bereavement services.

Do our loved ones heal in the spirit world? In my experience, and in the experience of many mediums, yes. People who were unwell or troubled in life often come through at peace, and their communication can grow clearer over time. Danielle Nijhuis's story of a loved one apologising to her father suggests that mending continues on their side too.

How soon after a death can I see a medium? It is a personal choice. Some people book within weeks and others wait years. It can help to think about what you are hoping for, and to remember that the spirit world decides who comes through.

Listen, learn and connect

Listen to the full conversation with Danielle at the top of this page, or on the Soul Sync podcast page. New episodes go out every Monday and Thursday.

Find out more about Danielle. Danielle Nijhuis is a medium, healing medium, trance medium and teacher based in Enschede in the Netherlands, where she runs the Soulconnections training centre. She is a certified teacher and healer with the Spiritualists' National Union, and she spent ten years as a psychic and medium on Dutch television. Visit soulconnections.nl, read her story, explore her trance circle and training, or follow her on Instagram. Her book, Medium tussen twee werelden (Medium Between Two Worlds), about grief, transition and spiritual awakening, is available in Dutch from Boekscout.

Read more on grief. Steven Trolland's story of grief and stillness is in When Grief Won't Let You Quiet the Mind.

Explore your own sensitivity. Join our free online development circle on Tuesday evenings, or the weekly Mediumship Development Class I teach with trance medium Donna King. You can read more about how I teach.

Book a reading. If you would like to connect with someone you love in the spirit world, you are welcome to book a mediumship reading on Zoom, wherever you are in the world.

Full episode transcript

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00:40 Introduction: what does it mean to make a pact with spirit?

Jason 00:40

Hello and welcome to the Soul Sync podcast. I 'm psychic medium Jason Paul, and you 're in the place for the seekers, the sensitives, and the people who have always felt there 's more to life than what we can see.

Now, in today 's conversation, I want to ask you, first of all, what does it mean to really make a pact with the spirit world? Not in a dramatic Hollywood sense. Not candles, thunder and someone whispering Latin in the corner. Although, let 's be honest, I 'd probably still quite like to watch that. But in the quiet, life-changing sense. The kind of pact that happens when grief has cracked you open. When someone you love has died, and the question won 't leave you alone, which is: where have you gone?

That very question sits at the heart of this conversation with Danielle Nijhuis. Danielle is a medium from the Netherlands whose journey into mediumship didn 't begin because she wanted a title, a platform or indeed a spiritual career. It began with loss, a sudden parting and very deep grief, and a search for answers that religion, counselling and the ordinary explanations of life couldn 't quite satisfy.

In this episode, Danielle shares how that search eventually led her into mediumship, trance, healing, the Arthur Findlay College, and some truly extraordinary experiences with physical mediumship. Well, I 'll tell you what really moved me in this conversation: the moment she describes receiving the answer she had been searching so hard for. An experience so powerful, so personal and so healing that she made the decision that if the spirit world could give her those answers, and give her that, then she would do her very best to serve that world for the rest of her life.

And I think that 's what makes this conversation so truly beautiful. Because beneath the stories of séances, guides, trance, healing and spirit communication, this is a conversation about love. Now, I know myself, being a medium, love does not end at death. Love continues to reach for us, and we know that because our loved ones come through. And love, when it touches us deeply enough, can ask us something more. So today I 'm joined by the lovely Danielle for a conversation about grief, mediumship, healing, physical phenomena, spirit guides, and the moment that changed the course of her life.

03:26 Welcoming Danielle Nijhuis to Soul Sync

Jason 03:26

Danielle, welcome, welcome, welcome to Soul Sync.

Danielle 03:31

Thank you for inviting me, Jason.

Jason 03:34

Oh, it 's lovely, lovely, lovely to have you on. So you are a medium, and I know trance and healing are big passions of yours.

Danielle 03:47

Absolutely.

Jason 03:49

So I guess, first of all, I wanted to go back in time, because when you were 24... Tell me about what happened at that time, because that sounded to me like the moment everything changed for you.

04:08 The sudden loss that changed Danielle 's life

Danielle 04:08

Yeah. If we go back a little bit further, I was quite sensitive as a young girl, and people would say that I was a natural intuitive. But at the age of 24, somebody who I really deeply loved passed suddenly to the spirit world. And you can imagine that if you are so young, and I think for all people who have lost someone, life is changing, because I was wondering, where is this person going, and what is happening after death? So that was the question that brought me on a search. That was the extreme change in my life path at that time.

Jason 05:00

And what happened from there on in? Because it sounded to me, from reading the notes here, that that became a search for you, for the spirit world.

Danielle 05:13

Yeah, yeah. And it wasn 't exactly a search for the spirit world. It was a search for: where 's the person? Because I was raised as a religious person, and I was taught that there was a God, and it didn 't seem very fair at that time. If a God exists, why are you so confronted with the fact that somebody who 's so close to you passed suddenly to the spirit world, without any answers?

So my search was not to be involved with the spirit world. It was, I think, to heal myself, and to accept and understand: what is it? What will happen then? You say goodbye to a physical body, but I just kept on questioning: is this everything? Is life really stopping after this passing, after losing the physical existence?

Jason 06:23

It sounded to me like religion wasn 't feeling right to you. It wasn 't aligning.

Danielle 06:31

No, I missed things, you know.

06:34 Questioning religion, heaven, hell and personal responsibility

Danielle 06:34

If you go to church, and I was raised as a Catholic, you have this priest standing in front of you reading from a book. And even as a young child, I had this question: why is it like this? Who is saying this, and why is it said like that? So I always had these question marks behind things, and this curiosity: okay, this is what we 're told, but is this the truth?

Jason 07:06

Yes. Well, I never went to church a lot when I was young. I did go to some services, but I was never raised particularly religiously, because my granddad was a medium. He was a spiritualist, he went to spiritualist churches. But on the occasions that I did go, I just didn 't find any of it believable, and I would be asking questions. To be honest with you, I found the whole church environment quite boring. Every time I went to a service, I thought, this is very long and painful. That was my view as a child. But what sort of questions were you asking as a child? What was it that was making you ask these questions?

Danielle 07:57

Yeah. Just bear in mind that in the Netherlands there were no spiritualist churches like you have in the UK. So I was raised in a Catholic family, we went to Catholic churches, and one of the questions I really deeply had was: if you pass to the spirit world, you are in heaven and everything is at peace. But is that the truth? How can it be at peace there, if somebody had a horrible life, or was not a good person? Is there judgement? And they 're talking about heaven and hell, and what is hell then?

So I had all these questions. Okay, you 're going to church, you did something wrong in your life, you 're going to sit with a priest, and the priest is going to make you holy again, and all your sins are okay now. And that doesn 't fit with me. I thought, how is that possible? Where is the personal responsibility then?

Jason 09:10

So it sounds like your questions were the same as my kind of questions, connected to sin. You know, what happens to a bad person? Okay, I have to live within the commandments. And I didn 't really understand: if heaven is heaven, what is it that decides which one you go to? I was probably thinking, well, if the rules of religion applied, to be quite honest with you, I 'd be turned away at the gates of heaven for being naughty in my life, and made to go down the stairs to wherever it would be.

Danielle 09:56

Really funny. So yeah, I think we had the same questions then. I only wish, with everything I know now, that I had known about spiritualism much earlier in my life. It makes more sense to me that mediums are not something to be afraid of, not mystic in a dark way, as people sometimes see them. Mediums are normal people.

10:28 Early spirit experiences and wondering if she was "going crazy "

Jason 10:28

Indeed. So you had this moment in your life where, as you explained, a family member of yours passed away, and you had greater questions about life. Again, that was very similar to my journey. It was questions about my granddad and him being in the spirit world, and so on. So I can relate to that. So you came across mediumship. How did that evolve for you? What have you learned along the way? Because you 've done a lot, but we 'll go into it in more detail as we go along.

Danielle 11:04

Yeah, I did a lot. Firstly, I had experiences after this person passed. I saw things, the lights came on and off, and I heard words outside of me, objective words, and I really thought I was going crazy. I really thought I was going crazy. So firstly, I went to doctors to talk, because I needed to be normal again, and I thought something was wrong in my mind.

Jason 11:42

What reception were you met with there?

Danielle 11:46

Can you repeat that?

Jason 11:48

Well, what did they say when you went to the doctors?

Danielle 11:50

That I was very sensitive and emotional, too sensitive for things, and that I didn 't accept the grief behind it. As I mention in my book, because I wrote a book, grief is something that is so difficult for everyone, because there 's no one way to work through grief. Professionals who are grief counsellors have this linear way of going into the process, but it 's such an individual process. So I found answers, but there were still questions, because with all these counsellors and meetings I had, the question "where are you now?" wasn 't answered.

12:47 The demonstration of mediumship that opened a door

Danielle 12:47

So I went to a demonstration of mediumship, and I can tell you, my eyes were wide, wide open. I didn 't receive a connection that night, but I thought, oh my gosh, if this is possible, maybe I can have a sign from this person. Maybe a beautiful butterfly will come and land on my shoulder and tell me you 're there, because I didn 't have any knowledge at that time.

So I had this luck. One of my teachers at an intuitive workshop told me to go to José [surname unclear] in the Netherlands. She was a former tutor at the Arthur Findlay College. It 's on the other side of the Netherlands, and I live near the border with Germany. So I went there for two days. The first day was just a little bit of psychic work, and that was very natural and really easy. I read some pictures and I had information, and I thought, oh, well, this is easy peasy. It was flowing that day. But the next day was the most interesting workshop day, because it was about connecting to the spirit world.

14:14 Seeing spirit for the first time, on the anniversary

Danielle 14:14

And that was the day... the person I lost... I think it was two years after the death when I went, and it was the same day as his passing. And José 's husband said, okay, we 're now going to do demonstrations, and Danielle, you are going to do it first. And I did not know what to do. So I was just standing there while José 's husband was explaining what was going to happen. And I said to him, do you have a moment? What 's going on? I see all these stars around one person, and there is a lady coming forward. And a whole story started to come.

And José 's husband was looking at me and saying, okay, you already have contact with the spirit world. I said, I don 't know, I don 't know. So from that day, and that experience of seeing somebody with my eyes, not in my mind, I thought, ooh, this is interesting. So it gave me more questions, and hunger.

Jason 15:38

More questions than answers, in a lot of ways.

15:41 Arriving at Arthur Findlay College and meeting Glyn Edwards

Danielle 15:41

More questions than answers. What is going on with me? What is this? So I went to different workshops in the Netherlands with different teachers, and then in 2012, finally, I went for the first time to the Arthur Findlay College. It was a week with [another tutor], and I was completely expecting to be in that tutor 's group. But I think the spirit world knows better what to do than I do.

At the Arthur Findlay College you have this hall, and this paperwork showing which group you are in. I was standing there with a friend, and he was in that group, and I didn 't see my name. And then suddenly there was this little paper with the name Glyn Edwards, and there was my name. And I said to my friend, who is Glyn Edwards? I 've never heard of this man. Okay, let 's see what will happen.

And I came into the sanctuary and sat there with experienced trance and physical mediums. Really blonde, didn 't speak English very well, sitting there. And he said, so, you 're all interested in trance and physical mediumship? And I thought, no, I 'm not. I 'm here to learn more about standing on a platform, to understand how to communicate with the spirit world, and to find my answer: where is the person who passed to the spirit world? So that 's really the start. It starts with Glyn Edwards.

Jason 17:30

I obviously never had the chance myself. He passed away before I even came into my journey of mediumship. But his books are amazing, and I 've heard so many stories about him over the years. I found his books, and even the tapes he did, the Sitting in the Power tapes, and they really helped me understand, at the beginning, what it is I 'm actually trying to do. So I can 't imagine what it must have been like for you to actually meet him.

18:04 Fear, trance and three days with Glyn

Danielle 18:04

I made an agreement with him, because I was really scared. I did not know what trance was, and I did not know what physical mediumship was.

Jason 18:13

You 'd just got to the college for the first time, expecting to understand a little bit about how messages come through on platform, and there you were, sitting doing physical mediumship.

Danielle 18:24

There was even a physical séance that week. So I fell into the butter, so to say, with everything. And I made an agreement with him, because I said out loud, I don 't belong here in this group. And he looked at me and said, oh yes, you do. I said, no, I don 't. Oh yes, you do. I said, no, I don 't, I 'm scared. I don 't know what to do when I close my eyes. What is happening? And then he said, okay, you can try it for three days, and if you 're still scared, you can go to [the other group]. And I never left.

Jason 19:03

That 's beautiful. Because trance has been a massive part of mediumship in your life for a long time now. I think it said in some of the notes you kindly gave me that you 've been in a crazy number of séances over the years. I 've not really done many, to be honest with you, because it 's not something I 've had the opportunity to do. But I can just imagine the energy in that kind of thing being incredible.

Danielle 19:35

It is, and I know, I really know that I was lucky. But if I go back in time, with the amount of grief I had, and anger, and not understanding it, and being angry with God for who God is, and then maybe being angry with myself, because I 'm part of God, but I did not understand it at that time... It was the spirit world who did their very, very, very best to help me forward, to get over the trauma, so to say. So all the gratitude needs to go to the spirit world, for what they have done to help me to the point where I am now.

20:29 How the spirit world helped: séances and physical mediumship

Jason 20:29

Because a lot of people listening to this podcast are going to be thinking, well, how has the spirit world helped you?

Danielle 20:38

As I said, I have visited many séances, and of course, with everything we do in mediumship, we are making our own choices. So I had this pull towards trance, I had this pull towards being part of a séance, and I had this pull towards reading about the pioneers of the past. If we look back in time, in spiritualism it was trance and physical mediumship, those home circles, for instance with Ursula Roberts, and Helen Duncan and Estelle Roberts. So I was really fascinated by it. And I was lucky to be in a physical séance at the Arthur Findlay College with Scott Milligan.

And when I came back to the Netherlands after one week at the Arthur Findlay College, it took me four weeks to come back and land on my feet again, because life felt really strange after a week of that. I even had doubts about being a mum. I thought maybe I need to have wings and be in the spirit world, because I really missed it.

So I searched for trance and physical mediums in the Netherlands, and at that time there was a physical medium from New Zealand coming four or five times a year to the Netherlands: David Thompson. David Thompson and Scott Milligan knew each other from the past, from sitting in the [name unclear] circle. So I was so lucky that I could make the decision, and I could afford it, because it costs money, guys, to invest in your mediumship, to take classes and to be involved in séances. And every time a guide from Scott or from David communicated, they always communicated with me.

And then my dad was particularly interested. Why are you sitting in this dark room with some red lights? You 're talking about people who materialise through ectoplasm, and you have these strange stories. I 'm interested. Can I come along? At that time my dad was 65, and he said, I want to come and join. So we arranged it. I went to a séance with David Thompson with my dad, and my dad was an independent checker, to check everything was okay, no fraud. You know, my dad. So we could sit in the front. And of course it was very interesting for my dad to be the checker, to see everything was safe, no fraud, everything by the rules.

And then one of the guides, Timothy, a young boy, came forward, and he said out loud, where everybody could hear it, I 'm looking for Dani-ella. And this is the particular way the communication comes from the spirit world. They will never call me Danielle, they will call me Dani-ella. I even hear it in my mind when I connect to my guides: hello, Dani-ella. So this is the way they approach me. So I was waiting. There were 45 people in the room. I don 't know, maybe more people there were called Dani-ella. And then this person who passed away when I was 24 completely materialised.

24:55 The materialisation that changed everything

Danielle 24:55

He came to me to talk to me in the Dutch language. David Thompson is from Australia, he doesn 't speak a word of Dutch. He touched me, he kissed my forehead, and he apologised to my dad. That was the most important healing within my grief that happened. At that time, of course, I was mesmerised by what happened. And 45 people were there. They heard it, they felt it, they felt the change in the vibration, and they heard me cry like a baby.

And after that séance, I made a decision. The spirit world gave me the present of answering my question, where are you? And you came back. Because ectoplasm is something that comes from the physical body, and there are just a few physical mediums in the world, and the spirit world took their time to help me forward, to bring this person back to me. It was just for five minutes, but that was long enough to say, okay, I accept. And that became a pact.

26:43 Making a pact: Jason 's sign from his granddad

Jason 26:43

Because I said a similar thing to the spirit world at one time myself. I remember one specific time, years ago, when I said, look, if I get a sign from the spirit world from my granddad, I will definitely, 100% commit to being a medium. And then I got the biggest slap-me-in-the-face sign I could possibly have got from the spirit world.

And it took me a long time to even be able to say I am a medium. I would always say, I 'm unfolding my mediumship, I 'm developing it. I would never actually say, I am a medium, so it took me quite a big moment, because I had a lot of self-doubt along the way as well. Can I do this? Am I able to quieten my mind enough to even meditate, and things like that, over the years? So I can relate to you in that regard.

Danielle 27:45

Yeah, and I think when we speak to many people who are in development, we all have a story. We do, we all have a story, and there 's always a story from the spirit world behind it.

28:02 Physical mediumship today, and why the world needs healing

Jason 28:02

There is. And it 's interesting, when you 're in those types of environments, how many common threads there are a lot of the time, and often we 've trodden a hard old path to get to that point. The physical mediumship you mentioned as well: there are only a few in the world at the moment, and that 's such a great shame. I hope it 's not something that 's going to become extinct, as it were, because of the amazing things that can happen through healing physical mediumship, the psychic surgery type of thing. It 's such a shame, isn 't it?

Danielle 28:44

Yeah, but I think... I 'm not sure, but it 's just a feeling that the spirit world is adapting to what is needed in the world.

Jason 29:00

What do you think that is at the moment?

Danielle 29:02

Healing. A lot of healing.

Jason 29:07

Yeah. I feel authenticity as well. People need to be able to speak their truth now. I feel we 've gone through a stage of people speaking loads at the start of social media, using it for everything, to now being quiet. It 's a very complex world we live in now, I feel, especially for young people. It 's not easy.

29:37 Danielle 's guide John and the story behind her book

Jason 29:37

So tell me about your book and its contents, because your guide John seems to be a busy, busy man, doesn 't he? From the sounds of it here.

Danielle 29:48

Ha! Yeah, he is. And he 's very honest, and I think I 've known him all my life. By the time I was learning within the Spiritualists ' National Union to be certified, I chose to become involved in healing mediumship, as it felt so deeply, strongly connected to me, again because of what the spirit world has done for me.

And going back in time, with Glyn Edwards, I heard this voice. From that week on I heard this voice, and going back further, I had heard this voice for a very long time. But, you know, I 'm just Danielle, I don 't know. I 'm making it up in my mind. And by sitting with Glyn, understanding how important it is to have a home circle and to sit, I came back, it took me four weeks to adjust back into normal life, and then I started to sit in circle, from 2012.

And over time, by allowing it to happen and giving the spirit world the space, suddenly John introduced himself by communicating. He gave information about his physical life when he was in the earthly world, and my circle members found information about him to validate it. And then he kept on talking about writing a book. And I can tell you, Jason, I can talk, I can talk a little bit of English, but writing things is not as easy as people think, because I have dyslexia.

Jason 32:02

Dyslexia, yes.

Danielle 32:04

Yeah. So you can imagine that when I have these words in my mind, it 's going to be totally different on paper, in a book. So I kept on writing over the last seven, eight years. And what we have done is, in every home circle, we record all the communication between my circle members and John, and others, because there are more in my spirit team in the circle. And in the last four years, when we had services with guest mediums from the UK, every time my grandfathers came, and every time there was this thing about writing a book.

And every time I said, no, I 'm not going to write a book. Who wants to read a book from me? What 's interesting about reading my book? There are so many books about mediumship. What 's the difference in my story? So I made an agreement with John, and I said, okay, if you want me to publish a book, I want you to be involved in it. So that 's what we 've done. We wrote the book. I have it here. It 's in Dutch at the moment, and we are working on an English translation, Medium Between Two Worlds. And in part of the book there are a lot of questions my circle asked John, with the answers John gave about life, about what the spirit world thinks about euthanasia.

Jason 33:55

Oh, euthanasia.

Danielle 33:57

Thank you. Or why is there life, and why is there death? How do guides work? What 's the purpose? How does mediumship work? And obviously, it 's a very vulnerable book about my life story, because this is the first time I 've written about what happened and what made me a medium. And I have done many, many things. I also worked for 10 years on television in the Netherlands as a psychic and medium.

Jason 34:33

Oh, I didn 't know that.

Danielle 34:36

Yeah, yeah. So I have a lot of experience with the spirit world.

34:41 Ten years as a psychic and medium on Dutch television

Jason 34:41

How did you fall into doing that, on the TV?

Danielle 34:44

Oh, that 's a side story. When I came back from the Arthur Findlay College, my husband said to me, maybe you need to practise. I said, how do I practise then? Nobody knows me. I 'm living almost in Germany, nobody knows who Danielle is. How do I practise as a medium? Because in the UK you go to church, you go to circle, and in the Netherlands, what can you do then?

So there was this call from a programme that needed psychics who could work by telephone, and I thought, okay, maybe I can contact them. And I was invited to a place in the middle of the Netherlands to do readings, so they could check whether the talent really had potential. And it did, so I could do it on the telephone. And you know, people will think things about it, but in this time you have these psychic mediums sitting on TikTok doing their readings.

Jason 36:01

Well, I used to do the telephone lines, the premium-rate telephone lines, when I first got into it, because I wanted experience. And I 'll tell you what, as soon as I logged on, calls were coming through all the time. To be honest with you, I found it a bit overwhelming. I 'd put myself on, and my phone wouldn 't stop. But I would only get love calls. I was like the love doctor. Every single call was a love call, a relationship call. That was all I specialised in. And the problem was, I 'd get the same person calling me up again and again and again. And I felt that, you know, I understand why you 're calling, but they don 't want to hear it. They want to hear what they want to hear.

Danielle 36:49

Yes, absolutely. And I took it in the same way, as an experience, and to learn how this energy centre works with my sensitivity through only a voice. And then one day, after I think three years, the boss of the programme called me and said, I want to invite you to come to the studios to do live readings. What? I said, okay, let 's do it.

So I travelled by train to Amsterdam, came into the studio, full make-up and hair. I looked amazing, Jason. I was young. And then after one year as a regular guest at the table, they asked me to be the presenter. I said, oh, what? Okay. So I became the face of the programme in the Netherlands, and I did that for 10 years in total.

Jason 37:56

Wow. There was someone in the UK, years and years ago, called Mystic Meg. She used to be on the National Lottery with a massive great big crystal ball, doing your fortunes. I used to like Mystic Meg. My granddad used to like Mystic Meg.

Danielle 38:12

I never did that. I think I showed in the Netherlands that it is possible to communicate with a loved one. I was known for that. Okay, yes, of course people would ask things about their future, but I can 't tell you anything about your future, because it 's up to you, it 's your choice. But I have your dad here, and your dad is telling me information and giving you this.

So I became well known in the Netherlands, and after 10 years it was enough, because I had different plans. I did the education courses in England and was really determined to get my CSNU in healing. And then suddenly I was asked if I was open to doing a course online on teaching, and I did that, and then I thought, hmm, now I have it online, I really want to have it in the real world. So I did an upgrade, and went to the UK in COVID time. And now I 'm working on, hopefully, doing my boards this summer for the DSNU in healing. So I 'm still learning and learning, because it 's an everlasting, ongoing process. You 're never done.

39:39 What are spirit guides? John 's answer

Jason 39:39

You 're never done. I totally agree with you. I feel you just keep developing more, don 't you? You never stop learning, especially in mediumship. Tell us a couple of the questions John got asked, then. I 'm curious, because you 've got the book here, which is very handy. Very handy. There were a couple you mentioned as you were talking that sounded really interesting.

Danielle 40:08

There are long answers, sometimes long answers. One part of the questions from my circle members was about guides. And, well, I need to translate it now from Dutch to English, in a fast way.

Jason 40:26

And I 've put you right on the spot now, haven 't I? Sorry about that.

Danielle 40:30

Yeah, no problem. The question to John was: what are guides? And John 's answer was: when you hear the word guides, you think of a leader who is walking in front, somebody who is unfolding your pathway. And in a certain way, that picture you have of us is true. But we are not your leaders, we are just friends. We are souls of love, and we decided to help you and guide you in part of your life with our wisdom, to be at the service of your journey in the physical world.

Every soul that is born does not come alone. Nobody walks the earthly life without guidance. From your first breath there are guides, some close, some at a distance, but we are always connected. And we are not here to force you, or to tell you which choices you need to make on the road, because your free will is holy. What we will do is inspire you, softly and gently push you, and remind you of who you really are.

In the spirit world there are many tasks. Some guides are there to protect you, some are there to guide in healing, and some are there for education or inspiration. We choose from our consciousness which loving task we take, because for us there is always growth too. In working with you and guiding you, we are learning, we develop, and we deepen our love together. So I chose consciously to work together with Danielle in mediumship. This was not a coincidence, I think.

Jason 42:46

It wasn 't a coincidence.

Danielle 42:47

Yes. But it was an agreement of the soul that already existed before her birth. Our cooperation is based on trust, friendship and the common desire to bring light into the world. So this is a part of it, and it goes on for 242 pages.

43:12 No wings, no halos: a book about being normal

Jason 43:12

Blimey, you and John have been busy, haven 't you?

Danielle 43:15

Yeah, it was seven, eight years ' work, and then putting it together as one was a year. And if you look at the front of the book, you have this door. I didn 't want artwork.

Jason 43:29

I think it 's beautiful artwork. As I was looking at the front of it, I thought it was so striking. It 's very beautiful. Red is one of my favourite colours, it grabs my attention.

Danielle 43:39

Yeah. Red is the colour of power. And I said, I don 't want angel wings, I don 't want heaven stairs. I just want it to be normal, because mediums are normal.

Jason 43:53

Yes. I don 't want wings, I don 't want halos, I don 't want crystals, I don 't want sage, I don 't want lavender.

Danielle 43:59

No, no. Be normal.

Jason 44:01

Breaking all the moulds. I like that.

Danielle 44:06

Just be normal.

Jason 44:07

Yes. Well, do you know what? I wish you the very, very best with the book. It sounds absolutely amazing. And if you do want to find out more about it, it sounds like an amazing read, just go to the show notes.

Danielle 44:18

It 's in Dutch at the moment, and we are hoping...

Jason 44:21

Oh no, I 've got so upset about that, man.

Danielle 44:24

Yeah, we 're working on having it translated.

Jason 44:28

Watch this space, before the end of the year. Well, when it does come out, because people still listen to this episode for a very long time afterwards, it will be there. So if you 're listening further into the future, it 's out now. So do us the wonderful favour today of leaving us with a final thought.

44:54 Danielle 's final message: the journey back to your true self

Danielle 44:54

What I really want to bring forward to those who are listening is that mediumship is not a gift. We all have a story in life, and your story is personal, and it doesn 't matter where you are in life, the spirit world is always walking with you. And if you have the desire to investigate your own sensitivity or your intuition, or to try to develop your mediumship, go for it. Even when you 're doubting things, know that the journey is a wonderful journey to find your true self, and that 's worth everything.

Jason 45:43

Absolutely beautiful. Thank you so much for coming on Soul Sync.

Danielle 45:49

Yeah, thank you so much, Jason, for having me.

45:55 Closing thoughts: spirit is a frequency, and the stillness

Jason 45:55

The journey of mediumship really can bring about a lot of self-doubt, and the spirit world are around us all the time. It 's a frequency. It 's not somewhere up above that you have to reach out to. It 's just about attuning. But in this modern world we live in, there are so many distractions, our minds are so busy, and you 've got to make the time to sit in the stillness. Because how the bloody hell can you feel anything from the spirit world if your mind 's always going?

And there have even been times when I felt the spirit world weren 't there. I didn 't feel anything when I was sitting. But it 's not because they weren 't there, I know that now. It 's just that I wasn 't in the right place mentally and energetically, and mediumship really puts a spotlight on that. So until next time, lots of love. Goodbye.

Jason Paul Medium

Jason Paul is a psychic medium based in Bristol, giving private readings online to clients across the UK and around the world. He is the grandson of medium and healer Eddie Paul, and came to mediumship after careers as a police officer and the founder of a legal recruitment business. Jason hosts the Soul Sync podcast and teaches online psychic and mediumship development classes.

https://www.jasonpaulmedium.com
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