Think about the last time you had a feeling about something. Perhaps you knew you needed to slow down. Perhaps something about a situation did not feel quite right. Or perhaps you felt drawn towards an opportunity and immediately found ten reasons why you should ignore it.
What did you do with that feeling?
When we talk about trusting your mediumship, it is very easy to begin with the spirit world. How do I know they are there? How do I know I am receiving something? How do I trust what comes into my awareness?
I think there is another conversation worth having alongside that one. How do you relate to your own feelings in the ordinary, everyday parts of your life?
If you are used to dismissing what you feel down here in the physical world, trusting an unseen world may bring up some of those same doubts. That does not mean you have to arrive at a development class full of confidence. It means that getting to know yourself belongs in the conversation.
In Trusting Your Mediumship: Stop Thinking, Start Feeling, episode four of The Mediumship Sessions on Soul Sync, Donna King and I spend a good deal of time talking about this. What follows is an invitation to bring those questions into your own life.
What does trusting yourself actually look like?
I have had periods in my life when I have trusted myself implicitly. I have made decisions, followed what felt right and been quite comfortable moving forward.
I have also had times when that confidence has been much harder to find. When I have felt low or struggled with anxiety, my relationship with my own feelings has been very different. Something I might have felt comfortable with at another point in my life could become something I questioned over and over again.
I think that is worth being honest about, particularly when we are teaching mediumship. We bring our lives into the room with us. We bring the day we have had, the things we are worried about and the experiences that have shaped how we see ourselves.
So when somebody says, “You just need to trust,” I can understand why that might feel like rather a big request.
Trusting yourself can begin with something quite small: allowing yourself to notice a feeling without immediately criticising yourself for having it. You can give it some attention, remain curious and take time to understand it. You are also allowed to change your mind.
Where in your life do you already trust yourself? Where do you tend to hand that trust over to somebody else?
When trying to get mediumship right puts you in your head
In the early days of my development, I had reminders stuck around the house telling me to sit in the power. I mentioned to Donna that, when I cleared my fridge, I found loads of them. There was certainly no shortage of instructions in my house.
But sitting down was only the beginning. Then came all the thinking.
Was I breathing properly? Had I built enough power? Should I be imagining a light? Was I meant to smooth the energy first and then expand it? And, after all that, was I actually feeling anything?
I could be so occupied with the process that I hardly gave myself room to notice the experience.
One of the things Donna helped me with was simplicity. “Power on. Power off.” Take a moment and notice the difference. That was far easier for me to work with than a growing list of things I believed I needed to get right.
In mediumship, we often use the phrase sitting in the power to describe spending time with the awareness and energy of our own soul. For me, that can feel like an expansion. Donna describes her own sense of becoming more fully present within herself. The language helps us describe something personal; it does not give everyone an identical experience to reproduce.
You may find that a particular way of sitting works beautifully for you. You may need to explore a different approach. A busy mind does not make you a failed student of mediumship.
When I say “stop thinking, start feeling”, I am talking about making room to notice before analysing every detail. There is still a place for thinking, questioning and reflecting afterwards. We return to that in the episode: the mind is part of this process too.
What beliefs are you bringing into your mediumship development?
Before we have our first experience in a class, many of us already have an idea of what mediumship ought to look like.
Perhaps you imagine that a medium hears a clear voice, as though somebody has put a telephone receiver to their ear. Perhaps you think that everyone else sees vivid pictures. Perhaps you have decided that you will trust an experience only when it feels completely different from anything you have known before.
Then something subtle happens, and you dismiss it because it does not match the picture you had in mind.
It is worth looking at those expectations. Where did they come from? A teacher? Television? Something somebody said when you were young? Your own wish to be absolutely sure?
There can be beliefs about ourselves underneath them as well. “I am too much in my head.” “Other people are more gifted.” “If I get this wrong, I will look foolish.” Sometimes we repeat those things so often that we stop hearing them as beliefs and start treating them as facts.
I would invite you to write down one belief you hold about your own potential. Then ask yourself: What experience is this based on, and what might I be overlooking?
You do not have to replace it with an enormous claim about what you can do. Giving yourself permission to explore may be enough for now.
Learning to trust a feeling while questioning its meaning
There is a distinction here that I think matters a great deal: what you notice, and what you decide it means.
You might notice a warmth, a memory, a picture in your mind or an emotion. That is the starting point. The interpretation comes next. Is it connected with your own day? An association you already have? An expectation? Something you want to explore within your mediumship?
It is possible to be open to an experience and still say, “I am not sure what that was.” There is room for that answer in a development class.
The same applies to following your gut in everyday life. A feeling can prompt you to pause, pay attention or ask another question. You can then consider the information available to you. Feeling strongly about something does not remove the need to check it.
I would be careful about giving you a neat rule that says intuition always feels one way and anxiety always feels another. In my own life, confidence and anxiety have not been that tidy. Learning about your responses takes patience, and one experience rarely tells the whole story.
In evidential mediumship, there is also the opportunity to hear whether a sitter recognises what you have described. A response that does not fit is useful information. We can learn from it without trying to persuade somebody to make it fit.
For me, that is a much more useful basis for developing trust: noticing, exploring, listening to feedback and being honest about what remains uncertain.
A simple exercise for developing self-trust
You can begin this without trying to make a spirit connection. Give yourself a few minutes to become familiar with your own awareness.
Arrive as you are. Sit somewhere comfortable and take a few ordinary breaths. Notice whether you feel settled, distracted, tired or preoccupied. There is no particular state you have to pretend to be in.
Describe what you notice. Keep the description simple: “My shoulders feel tight,” “I keep thinking about that conversation,” or “I feel more settled after sitting here.” Stay close to the experience.
Separate the impression from the story. In a notebook, make two columns: “What I noticed” and “What I thought it meant.” Seeing those side by side can be revealing.
Return to it later. Add anything you subsequently learned. Include occasions when your interpretation was useful and occasions when it did not fit. Both give you something to work with.
Choose a manageable rhythm. Try a short practice you can return to comfortably. You can build from there without turning it into another thing to tell yourself off about.
In our conversation, I talk about a friend who sat consistently twice a week while I set myself much bigger ambitions. That comparison has stayed with me. There is a great deal to be said for actually doing the small thing you have made room for.
If you already sit for your mediumship, bring that same curiosity to your practice. What changes? What remains familiar? What do you notice when you stop demanding a particular result?
Your mediumship does not have to look like somebody else's
I remember being in development settings where other people described wonderful experiences and I was sitting there thinking, “Well, I am not feeling any of that.”
It is very easy to make a judgement about yourself in that moment. They can do it. I cannot. They must have something I have not got.
But an approach that helps one person may not make sense to another. Even an approach that works for you on one day may feel different the next. That is something to explore with your teacher, rather than a verdict on your potential.
One of the most helpful shifts in my own mediumship came when I began to understand that I needed to find my way of working. I could learn from other people while still paying attention to how things felt for me.
Your life experiences, interests, memories and feelings are part of what makes your awareness individual. In the episode, Donna and I discuss how those experiences can become part of the language we work with in mediumship. Getting to know yourself is therefore relevant throughout your development.
When you compare yourself with another student, what exactly are you comparing: their experience, or your idea of what their experience means about you?
What I want a mediumship class to make room for
I want people to feel able to experiment. To ask a question. To say they have not understood something. To tell us honestly that they did not feel anything during an exercise.
Those moments give a teacher something useful to work with. A student who feels they have to produce the right answer has very little room left to explore.
That is why the conversations within a class matter so much to me. When you hear how somebody else experienced an exercise, it can help you recognise something about your own awareness. You may also discover that you have been trying to copy a process that simply does not suit you.
A thoughtful teacher can offer a different starting point, help you look more closely at an impression and encourage you to consider the feedback. They can also give you room to find your own words for an experience.
Mediumship is personal. The teaching needs to leave space for the person who is actually in front of us.
We are creating a welcoming, supportive space to explore your energy, practise your mediumship and develop a clearer understanding of your own way of working. There will be teaching, practical exercises and opportunities to work with others, with breakout pairings suited to experience.
You can expect room for questions, experimentation and those conversations that help something begin to make sense. We welcome people joining from different parts of the world; being online means we can learn alongside people we might never otherwise have met.
The class takes place on Mondays, 7–9pm UK time, via Zoom. Visit the class page for the current dates, availability and booking information.
You are welcome to arrive with questions. I certainly did.
Questions about trust and mediumship
Can I develop my mediumship if I struggle with self-doubt?
You can begin exploring without feeling confident all the time. Let your teacher know where you are finding things difficult. A useful starting point is a manageable exercise, an honest account of what you noticed and feedback you can reflect on afterwards. Confidence can develop through that process.
How do I know whether an impression is my imagination or spirit?
One impression may not settle that question. Describe it as clearly as you can, allow yourself to be uncertain and look at the feedback available. When practising evidential mediumship, whether the sitter recognises the information matters. An image or feeling does not establish its source simply because it is vivid.
Do I have to make my mind completely blank to sit in the power?
That was an expectation I found particularly unhelpful. Thoughts may come and go. You can notice them and gently return your attention to the exercise. The aim is to become more familiar with your awareness, and a teacher can help you explore an approach that suits you.
Before you leave this page, come back to the first question: how easily do you trust yourself?
Perhaps there is one area of your life where you could begin giving your own feelings a little more attention. Perhaps there is an expectation you are ready to loosen. Or perhaps you need to give yourself permission to learn at your own pace.
Whatever you noticed, give yourself some room with it. I think that is a good place to begin.
Jason Paul
Read the edited episode transcript · The Mediumship Sessions #4
Edited for readability from the supplied automatic transcript. Repetition and selected personal asides have been removed, and unclear words are marked where the source could not be resolved without the audio. Timings are approximate. The separately recorded intro and outro are not included. The conversation reflects Jason and Donna’s personal experiences and spiritual perspectives.
Around 02:48
Mediumship is an individual experience
Jason Paul:
Donna King, welcome, welcome, welcome.
Donna King:
Hello, Jason.
Jason Paul:
Hello. Oh, it 's lovely to have you back. We 're here on the Mediumship Sessions and today we are discussing Mediumship. We have arrived. We have arrived at the doorway of all things the spirit world. I am excited.
Donna King:
Yeah, it 's sort of like the main hub of what we do in my world.
Jason Paul:
Mmm, it is. So, I guess, to begin with, we 've talked a bit so far about psychic, about understanding your energy, about becoming aware, and you 're gonna be… Every listener is going to have a different experience here. Some of you are going to be, very familiar with the spirit world, having been, even a medium for a while. But I think there is something beautiful sometimes in going back to basics, going back to the start and really understanding what mediumship kind of looks and feels like. I guess the first thing is, you might be having experiences at the moment, you might be what we call, starting to awaken, you might be having spiritual experiences. Hopefully you 're
Jason Paul:
Dining room lamp isn 't swinging around, your car keys aren 't going missing, and there 's not things like that happening to you, but I guess to begin with. The thing to observe is every single person who has a relationship with the spirit world, that relationship is personal because mediumship is a creative expression of the soul. Is it not?
Donna King:
It is, and as we 're all individual, the experiences we 'll have in the way we develop will also be, individual what I feel, for one, in where my mediumship might come in, may be very different for somebody else. I remember establishing that with Spirit, because it used to be all over the place, and I was like, right, give me doors. And so now I get my guides come in on my right, and my mediumship comes in on my left, and everything else just comes through me in the middle. Along with the sense of knowing, that comes through the middle somewhere as well.
Jason Paul:
So even what you 're saying there about the guides being on one side, the spirit person being on another, you have developed that over time, and it 's when you start. discovering, unfolding, developing, whatever adjective you want to use, your mediumship. I remember in the early days. the spirit world, the way they would communicate with me, and I 've always been very strong, clairvoyantly. I must say, my mediumship is always on my right. I don 't know if that seems to be the common side, because I 'm sure that 's the side of everyone, but I know when the spirit world are beside me. And this started pretty much from the very beginning.
Jason Paul:
There is always physical sensations in mediumship is the first thing I want to say, but I get this like, I want to call it like a pulsating, a vibrating, I might even use the word throbbing. It doesn 't sound like a particularly nice word. If you leave us at this junction of the episode, it 's fine, we understand. But, no, I get, like, a twitching of my right temple, and that… signifies to me that the spirit world is around me, and even for a very long time, I wouldn 't know who was around me, but I would know that there was spirit people or guides around me by the sensation in that right temple, and I won 't forget, actually. When my dad was very…
Jason Paul:
unwell, in hospital, in a coma. I… my… the right side of my head, was… I was a complete wreck, obviously, at that point anyway, in that situation, but I kind of felt so overwhelmed in that sense… in that moment, because of the sense… the physical sensations I was having. And actually. That was overwhelming in itself because it kind of signified to me at that point that I knew that he was gonna. pass to the other world. I just knew that, I knew that. So, when you first start discovering your mediumship, and, one of the first things that you really need to do, which I think is the absolute bedrock
Jason Paul:
Of, mediumship which we 've spoken about so many times on this podcast is sitting and starting that journey of. I guess I would even say it 's like making room for spirit because how can the spirit world come in and you be aware of them if you 're living your absolute normal life. Pedal to the metal, doing work all the time, you 've got a busy mind, well, where is the spirit world gonna drop into that?
Donna King:
Yeah, absolutely. without sitting, you 're sort of not allowing a doorway for the growth in that relationship to expand. for me, I don 't necessarily… obviously, the development I 'm at, at the stage where I am in my life, and for many, there 'll be a great, sense or expansion of energy, and just, the sensation of knowing What 's coming in? What 's there? And then maybe stepping into the, harness that energy, that power, whatever you 're comfortable calling it. To be able to move through it and work per se.
Around 08:14
What does sitting in the power feel like?
Jason Paul:
When we talk, and this is the thing, when we talk about the power. like I said, I 've talked about the power till I 'm blue in the face, but it 's so important. When we talk about the power, we are talking about the power of you. The power of your soul. It 's not somewhere you have to go and plug into, and need to have a travel adapter for, or need to, make sure you 've got an extension lead that 's long enough. You 'll be glad to know that this power is an internal power. And at the beginning, I 'll be quite honest with you, I couldn 't get my head around what the bloody hell the power was. And then when I did understand what it was, I couldn 't understand why sometimes I could feel the sensation of it on and other times it was off.
Jason Paul:
And that is the foundation of What you need to really first establish is what that power feels like. And because it 's so individual, we could sit here now and I could say, okay, what, how would you describe what your power is if you were going to describe it? Because I would say it is… Okay, vibrationally, I can feel when I 'm in the power, because, there 's an expansion, I would say. I can feel that my energy is quickening, and I can normally feel it by virtue of subtle subtle… I would have to call it a quickening of energy, but you know when you 're in it because you feel, funnily enough, powerful. who would have thought sitting in the power could invoke such feelings? How would you describe it? Because it 's so personal.
Donna King:
Yeah, very similar to you, and notably, sitting in your own power of, your psychic intuition, sitting with your guides, and sitting in the power of your mediumship. They all, for me, energetically feel very different. There 's a very clear distinction, so if I 'm sitting in the power of me, just like you said, there is almost, I don 't know if it 's a shift of feeling powerful, but I feel like I 'm sitting within myself better. There 's a, there 's an expansion in who I am. I can feel my energy shift outwards And just, like, it 's all, like, little… little strands of a star moving out and picking up on everything else that 's radiating around me, which is a very pretty way of describing it. But, there is, there is… the element of the power is the power.
Donna King:
But for me, it 's like a growth in it 's about feeling like I 'm sitting wholly within myself and in the trueness and the authenticity of who I am Yeah, and that, it 's, it 's a, it 's a wonderful place to be and it 's a brilliant way to start the day.
Jason Paul:
It 's a great way to start the day because it gives you, insight, it gives you a feeling of Well, I was saying this to you only the other day, when I sit in the morning, it kind of gives me my roadmap For the day. But, I think… one of the difficulties is we 're very hard on ourself, and at this very early stage of… sitting, understanding your energy. the first battle for me when I used to sit was, it took me quite a while to really feel that I understood what the power was, I understood whether I 'm in it or not, because the very first juncture for me, before I could even
Around 11:19
Busy minds, patience and being gentle with yourself
Jason Paul:
Think about, flicking me power switch on, so to speak, was to actually be able to quiet my mind enough to even. be able to concentrate on doing that. And I would say that, especially if you 've got ADHD mind, I think you mustn 't look at the mind as an enemy, because when you first start sitting in meditation, or sitting with the intention of building your power. we have busy minds, and if you 're, going from the busyness of your day working, and then you 're sitting down, and I remember, I used to make myself laugh now when I think back, I would say, right, okay, I 'm gonna sit every day at half eight, and then it would get to about nine o 'clock.
Jason Paul:
And I would say, right, I haven 't sat now, and I 'd think, oh, right, I need to sit, I need to sit. So I 'd sit for 10 minutes And… I 'd sort of almost be dragging my feet to do it, because it 's like, oh, it 's a discipline thing, and I used to have, signs stuck all around my house saying, sit in the power, sit in the power Funny enough, when I cleared off my fridge the other day, there was loads of them. I was thinking, my God, how many signs have I got all around my house? But it took me a long time to even be able to quiet the mind enough, and even if we go back to
Jason Paul:
the pioneers of mediumship all those years ago, 100 years ago, or whatever. They would understand this, because they would sit for so long, over such a protracted long period of time, to really understand what their power felt like before even trying To go about making a link. Now, I 'm not saying you need to do that because I am fully aware that we live in the YouTube world and if you are tuning in now and, probably if you were tuning in now and you want the absolute honest answer, I would say to you, sit for a year before even attempting it, but I know damn well that anyone listening to this is not going to heed that advice.
Jason Paul:
Because, we don 't live in that type of world now. We live in a world where we 're lacking in patience, but I, that 's why I often think that trance is a great Doorway in to mediumship because it allows you to really understand the power and as, as a physical medium, what 's your thoughts on that because it 's, it 's, it 's that art of being able to sit. Understand your power and understand how to build it and most importantly is how to hold it.
Donna King:
Yeah, that, yeah, that 's, it 's quite a long journey within that, for me, obviously, it 's been a lifetime of learning to do that. But I will say, obviously, we live in a very different world to what our pioneers did. We 've got a lot more distractions, we have to work a lot harder to pay the bills. So time is very limited, for people in the way that, they move forward within their abilities, and you do have to make the time. there 's a saying, isn 't there, if you can 't sit for 5, sit for 20. But just allowing yourself that time for that expansion, because Within the movement of, taking the time and discipline to do so comes growth within the work
Donna King:
And for me, very much, the time that I allowed, and I have allowed, because there 's been times when I 've been very undisciplined in what I do, but spirit. I 've always said they 've learned to work with me, because me, like you, I got diagnosed ADHD at my son 's ADHD appointment many moons ago, so me, like you, have a very active mind, and, I have had, a teacher I respected, questions she said I 've had to challenge spirit on, how do you sit in that state in trance, you know.
Donna King:
When your mind 's so active. And sometimes they will just learn to work with you, because again, we are all individuals, so they will learn to do what 's needed. And obviously, as a child, I sort of… there was no better place, often emotionally, there was no better place for me to be. I lived in a very quiet world, I was very… Anyway, it 's funny if anybody knows me now because I 'm a good communicator and can talk to anybody. But up to the age of 11, it was literally I was very quiet. I barely spoke. And so I often would just be talking to spirit for more than I spoke to people. So it was about my development in the way I established myself and taking the time to do that as an adult now, an adult now.
Donna King:
Like I haven 't been for long, but keep the inner child happy and, the joy will come, but as, as I 've grown older, I definitely find that finding that discipline within my life is imperative. Because if you want to make that connection, then you need to give them a door, and just by doing that. But always being gentle with yourself, because I think we are some of the hardest people on ourselves within our development, because when we start kicking ourselves, like, how many signs did you need to put? that was you literally saying. Come on, Jason, do it, do it, to encourage yourself to do that. But we have to be gentle with ourselves because…
Donna King:
Spirit wouldn 't be hard on us, they would… they would only be gentle and encourage that growth, and, they know better the road we 're on than we do.
Jason Paul:
They do, and I feel that… We all have an expectation, when we, get into mediumship and we 're all coming into it for different reasons and I feel that if you want to start developing this relationship With your spirit team or you want to go down this path of mediumship, first of all, you need to ask yourself why you actually want to do that. Are you feeling an internal calling? Are you feeling a sense of curiosity? Because it does take time, but actually I found the art of sitting and even mediumship in itself, because I think I feel mediumship in every single.
Jason Paul:
side of it, whether it 's for the spirit person, or whether it 's for the, Medium themselves, is healing. And I know myself, it 's healed me in so many ways. Even the art of being able to quiet my mind, and… and have control, to some degree, over my mind being quieter. That 's taken a long time, but I did find that it was like a penny-drop moment one day where I thought, oh my goodness, I 'm starting to be able to get the hang of this. But by virtue of doing that, it helped me in so many other areas, because I feel that at the time, I first came into this world. My anxiety was at a particularly high level. I was running… A very stressful business, working crazy long hours.
Jason Paul:
And then I look back now, and I would sit, and I would go, why can 't I get things to switch off? Why does that keep coming around in my head? And I was very hard on myself, I was incredibly hard on myself, like, almost, why can 't you do this? And, I remember saying for a long time, I said, I just don 't think meditation is for me, but then I did find my own way of… Doing it and my own way at the beginning was accepting that actually my form of meditation was like being in nature and that allowed me the kind of
Around 18:32
Finding your own way to meditate and notice
Jason Paul:
Opportunity to quiet my mind in that moment and actually 1 thing I really found helped me in those early days and I 've actually just gone back to using them now. is binaural beats. They seem to be very effective with me. I 'm very sensitive to sound in every degree, but sound healing works an absolute treat with me. mediumship, is you 've got to be able to give the spirit world that window to come through. If you are expecting… and the spirit world do give us signs. A lot of people, and myself included, get signs in their day-to-day life, and I always feel that 's the spirit world trying to grab us. It 's trying to grab our attention to say, look.
Jason Paul:
we want to, that 's their way of almost trying to cut through the noise of your day-to-day by, by performing some, act of a miracle, some synchronicity or some coincidence, so. Off the chart and amazing, in the way that it 's delivered, but that 's their way of grabbing your attention because also if the spirit world were to start. in the very early stage, communicating with you through one of the faculties they use, your imagination, your clairvoyance. Would you even… Stop to acknowledge that wasn 't a thought of your own, no, because at the very beginning your level of awareness is, is, is probably not.
Jason Paul:
Nowhere near that level [unclear], some people might be getting that and you, if you are experiencing that kind of, sign synchronicities, things going on, where you know that you 've got spirit around you, perhaps you might have awakened, so to speak, very quickly and then that, but that can also be troubling at the same time because if these things are happening to you and you 're sensing things and you don 't understand why. It 's like, I used to think a Kundalini awakening sounded massive, like, all of a sudden, oh, I 'm awake to everything! But actually, I 've changed my mind on that now, because I 've interviewed so many people that have actually said it 's really traumatic, one day this just happening. So you 've got to give the spirit world Room and an opportunity, to be able to reach you.
Donna King:
Yeah, and that is the thing, I mean. I 'm just thinking of what you 've just said, the, clairaudience. The clairsentience, clairgustance, all of the clairs we naturally live with. So Spirit will use them, and often it is sort of the sight and the sense that they use first. And I do believe, you 're absolutely right, that if you 're on a journey of, Spirit opening you up to this spiritual development, it will kind of go a little bit crazy, and you will feel hypersensitive in that. Because, there 's a… all of a sudden, there 's, like, a light bulb gone on, this awareness that there 's more, that I am more, because you 've started paying attention to all of your clairs, so to speak. Which can be slightly overwhelming, and
Donna King:
often, your best bet, again, is to sort of sit and allow yourself to just feel and trust, where am I going? What is going on here? I hate all that cliche of, like, closing down. It is just a matter of mentally telling yourself. People love to overcomplicate the spiritual world, and it 's ego and unfortunately we all have it as humans. But there 's no need to overcomplicate. It 's as simple as, okay, well, we 're going to shut that down now. as simple as we 're going to say, right, I 'm in my power, and that 's as simple as it is. It is that simple, you know? There 's no need to overcomplicate that part of the journey as you move into, the development of your mediumship, because often people will sense, oh, I feel like I can feel my nan with me.
Around 23:24
Keeping it simple: moving from thinking to feeling
Jason Paul:
Well, you 're a great teacher. I always remember in the really early days how I was getting lost. I would sit down. And I would say, right, okay, I feel the way I 'm building the power here is I need to get the light within, I need to start breathing, the light gets bigger, then I need to push my energy out. Oh, no, before I push my energy out…
Jason Paul:
I need to smooth the energy down. I remember one medium teacher saying to me, she 's a very nice lady, very nice lady. And this was the period where I was trying to find the right teacher. And I noticed that at the very beginning of my journey, I was getting taught by technical mediums rather than mediums that lead from the heart. And I was getting lost in that world because all it was doing was putting
Jason Paul:
me in my head so I 'd be sitting there and I 'm sure a lot of people listening to this can relate I 'd sit there and I 'd say right okay now I 'm so the first thing I need to do is I need to smooth the energy out because my energy is obviously Jagged from the day that I 've had so once I 'd started this process of smoothing I would push it out and then through that process of pushing it out I believe at the quickening of that Now, the problem with all of this is the whole time all I 'm doing is thinking and trying to do these things that I believe are building the power. Now, the difficulty is
Jason Paul:
when you say this, and obviously I 'm saying this now from a very different place of knowledge, experience, and expertise, but I understand now that when I 'm building the power that the spirit world are going to use, what I am am doing is I am pushing my energy out, because I can feel it. But the difference being now, when I do it, is I 'm not thinking about it. So as I 'm breathing in and I 'm breathing out, I 'm feeling The energy just expanding and getting bigger and going outwards, but the difference being before I would be thinking it and I would be dipping between thinking and feeling, thinking and feeling, thinking and feeling and. But I can understand the difficulty with that because what is actually happening on a technical.
Jason Paul:
Level is your energy is expanding, but the way that you need to do that requires nothing more than a thought and an intention, and I remember you saying to me. A few, it feels like a lifetime ago now, but just shows how long life, sort of passes and how far, I 've developed. You said to me, right, ok. This is how you need to get the power on, and at this point, I was like, am I in the power, am I out the power, why can I not feel the power? And you said, power on! And I thought, oh, right, power off! And I thought, oh, my goodness me, I did feel that! I could feel that subtle difference there! Power on! Oh yeah, I 'm on again. Off, off. And I thought, yes, you kept it simple! But…
Jason Paul:
That 's the thing with mediumship, it is simple but it 's, it 's, it 's the journey of the self and it 's the journey of your own. Understanding and development because it is a hard one to get your head around and it 's a hard thing when you 're even starting out if for you to say, if for us to say to someone now all you need to do. To get the spirit world around you right now to feel them is to say power on. You can 't help the humanness of you, can 't help but feeling that 's too simple and not enough.
Donna King:
Yeah, it takes a moment, you need to just sit, pause, take a few breaths, I 'm in my power. I 'm out my power because you will notice the subtle shift, and you mentioned it, we all teach from where we are in our level of experience and understanding and our beliefs, so When I laughed previously, it wasn 't, for anybody 's thing, it was just like, for me, there is, it 's always been so, so people make it so complicated. But it is as simple as that, people do, people do, the human mind loves to overcomplicate and the thing is, is we forget as humans how intelligent the spirit world are. it 's beyond our human comprehension.
Donna King:
I 've mentioned in previous podcasts about, the feeling of touching it, the human emotions that we can feel are just but a grain of sand in the expansion of spirit, you know? So, it 's the same within that development, but it is just… Take them few, five deep breaths. Sit, tell yourself, I 'm in my power, I 'm out my power, and just notice a subtle shift. Another lovely move that I was taught once by a wonderful medium is to place your hand on your heart, because it centers you, it brings you in. Especially with the lives we lead, the mind runs riot, and it is a hard thing to quiet the chatter, if you like.
Donna King:
But by doing that, you just allow yourself to become more centered. it is… for those that sit too heavily in the mind, very logical people, that really this journey isn 't for, they may not notice the change in the energy. But for those that are aware to it, and open to it, and open to the spiritual journey, and feel that they 've been led, and there 's a calling to it, then they should Notice the difference.
Jason Paul:
Yes, so… and I actually feel that a really good experiment to do, and, I know I keep promising the lovely listeners here a meditation, which will come, hopefully it 'll be out by the time you listen to this episode. If it 's not, I apologize, it 's coming soon. But I actually feel that one of the most effective ways
Around 29:03
Exploring subtle changes in the presence of spirit
Jason Paul:
For me, in the early days of really getting used to what the actual presence of spirit would feel like, would be to say, yeah, sit down, power on! And, then I 'd allow myself time to boot up like an old piece. I mustn 't say things like this because it 's not helpful to the dear listener who 's thinking, okay, what do I need to do? Yeah, I would say power on and then I would invite my guides to draw close and then I would ask them to step back and then I would ask them to draw close. Then I would ask them to step back. My goodness, our guides are patient with us, aren 't they? Because I must have done that.
Jason Paul:
In some sit-downs, 30 times, right? Back, forward, back, forward, and they must have thought. come on, man! This is driving us nuts! That, for me, mine was about really developing that, and I think it 's the same for a lot of us, it was about developing that trust. And I remember, in the very early days of sitting, I would sense something, and it would make me jump, because I would have an undercurrent of fear, I 'd be thinking, oh, is this a good spirit, is this a bad spirit? And I would be sitting, really putting an emphasis on, the roots on the bottom of my feet, grounding me into the earth before I 'd even begin. But on that note.
Around 30:40
Fear, protection and the experiences we bring with us
Jason Paul:
What is, in your mind, good spiritual hygiene? Because I was even reading a book last night which is talking about Ascended Masters in this book. I was reading it and it was making such a big point of protection and I was sitting there and, you always feel a certain way about things. I was feeling like, what are you protecting yourself from? against… And I can only see, even with ascended masters, maybe you 're protecting yourself against an overload of energy, but then I think, well, what… why would you need protection? I can understand the need to re-ground.
Jason Paul:
And to ground yourself after going into an experience like that, but for me personally, I don 't feel the need to place myself in some sort of bubble of eternal protection when I do this, because I don 't think there 's anything I need protecting from.
Donna King:
Absolutely. I don 't know where that concept 's come from, but I 've had many through the years. And obviously, again, it 's about people 's development and where they are and what they learn in different ways and their perception of things. I 'd hasten to say that, maybe you 've heard I 've had a bad life, but I 've been through many traumas in my life. But I don 't feel that there 's anything that I need to protect myself in regards to my spirituality. I trust very much in, myself and my own soul. Things will be exactly what they 're meant to be within that, there 's, it takes a level of awareness and a level of learning but for some that may be.
Donna King:
a door that suits them, they feel that they need to protect themselves from something, some people have this very vast concept, because obviously in the human world we have good and bad people and, people don 't totally just, you don 't turn into angels when you go to home, it just doesn 't work like that, but I have great faith in my team and myself that, what 's meant to be kept out, they will, so I 've never, I don 't believe that 's something we need to think about or. Or, or even do, and I think again, it 's a little bit to do with human, human ego, in that people haven 't got better things to do than come and bother you
Jason Paul:
Well, I also believe as well, I do believe that there are dense, not very positive energies out there. I believe there 's souls that have done, not very nice things in their time on the Earth plane, and I believe that certain souls can get… kind of get stuck and… and through their own What 's the way I want to phrase this, through their own choice, can choose to, can choose to not, move forward to the next stage of their development or go to a life review because they can 't bear. to, look at the life, and the way that they might have touched, and the ripple of how they affected people for the not-so-positive when they were down here. But I believe that if you were sitting.
Jason Paul:
with the right intentions, and you are a wholehearted person going into this for the right reasons. You will never attract, negative entities because of the fact that you are such a bright light. and, the darkness, fear, things like that, don 't attract to, don 't want to go near the light, because it, quite frankly, it absolutely blinds them. But I 've never, in all my time, had something that… Isn 't nice, but I 'll tell you something, fear is a funny old thing because I got this new ghost hunting tool, on recommendation of a friend yesterday, this iPhone tool, and I must admit, bloody expensive, though, this one, so I was expecting good things when I downloaded it. I 've got a few of them, but I downloaded this app called Deadwave.
Jason Paul:
After a medium was telling me about it and it 's got all these different EMF modes and it 's got one particular mode, which is like, the old fashioned TVs that you get the aerial when it 's a bit fuzzy, it uses that kind of, mode to basically scan the airwaves, to the, it 's like an analog video and you can see things in it. But when I put one of those ghost hunt machines on, I always find that there is an undercurrent of fear when I do that, because it makes me jump those things. And it 's funny, because I 'm a medium talking to spirit all the time. But if I was doing it with someone, no. But I put it on in my house yesterday, and I said, is there anybody there? And…
Jason Paul:
do you find, when you ever listen to those things, the voice never comes through like a nice gentleman saying, oh, hello, good afternoon to you, because it 's coming through, through the radio waves or whatever, it 's like, yep, yep, yep, hello, and it 's very… it makes you jump, and it 's amazing how fear… gets in the way of, this work, this development, the ability to sit. But, it 's… and it depends on what experiences you 've had prior to coming in this. Like, I always laugh, and I have said this on the podcast before.
Jason Paul:
When I first started sitting, I think part of the reason why I was so jumpy was because my previous experiences of spirit up until that point had been on ghost hunts. And I remember my the last ghost hunt I ever went on before I started developing my mediumship was an all night ghost hunt for my birthday at Shepton Mallet Prison, where we started the night looking at the.
Jason Paul:
In essence the torture rooms then we went to the shooting range then we went to the bit of the prison where they 'd have to do labour walking along these ramp sort of wooden hamster wheels to power the prison and then we got to the point where There were cell doors slamming and then they said we 're going to the hanging room Next of all and I said no, Mum. I need to get out of here now. I 've had enough of this I can 't bear to be here another 3 hours. But, because I 'm scared! But that has a bearing, doesn 't it, on how we feel about something before we go into it. So we 're debunking this today, but we don 't feel there 's anything to be scared of. And what I want to say about sitting as well is…
Jason Paul:
One thing that I really feel. Is there is so much available to us in this world, that we can manifest, that we can create, that we can access. in its very simplest form, yes, you can manifest material possessions, whatever. And loads of you listening to this are going to have had lots of success, have manifested houses, cars, things that you want. But when you sit, you can access different levels of consciousness, ascended masters, your guides, the spirit world. The list is endless, but it all starts with the ability to sit.
Jason Paul:
And when I used to sit, I used to always sit with an expectation. Oh, can you give me this today, Spirit? Can I have a bit of this? Or can I have a bit of healing today? Or can you give me a sign today? And I used to think to myself, expectation, these days I don 't sit really with any expectation because I always feel that I 'm robbing the intelligence of that, of the world that is so intelligent, the world, the world that is so intelligent, the world of spirit, because.
Around 37:35
Letting go of expectations when you sit
Jason Paul:
If I sit with an intention, I 'm limiting what is available to me because will the spirit world, if you say, if you ever sit with an expectation. The spirit world are never going to give you something that you haven 't asked for unless you 're creating a condition to say to them, I 'm open to what you feel like I need to receive. So you really are in the driving seat of this, aren 't you?
Donna King:
You are, and it 's actually true with, spirit have to respect you as an individual and a soul and a spirit, as we are as well, on their journey, so, for healing, you don 't ask, you don 't get, because again, they can 't intervene, so it is. Is, very much, a learning and development and a, a team effort. in that. And, with it there shouldn 't come any fear because, if you 're trusted in yourself and in your journey and what you felt and those you love, then the element of fear will be eradicated with time in the learning and understanding of that within your own energy. And you spoke about voices, the spirit brought me back to my early, early, early 20s
Donna King:
My two youngest, I only had two kids then, were singing and dancing, tiny, to a song that said love you in it. And I played back the video and on that phone recording was, "Love you."Now, had it not been them words, it would have sounded demonic. It was almost terrifying. But I just knew they was leaving me, what they said was, love you. And I just knew that they was trying to lead me somewhere. And that actually is how I found the college. And that was what they wanted me to find. So, I 'm not sure about the paranormal apps, but I think that vibration of feeling slightly fearful of what the… is the unexpected, isn 't it? I think that 's what brings in that feeling sometimes for people, you know?
Jason Paul:
Well, it 's a catch-22, because it 's the, not knowing, but…
Around 40:04
Curiosity about the afterlife and spiritual books
Jason Paul:
just continued to draw me so much into the spirit world it was an absolute crazy irrational fear of death that I felt that I needed to know exactly where I was going you know just typical Jason absolutely nosy as hell can 't just accept that you know death is I 'm gonna go to the spirit world I want to know absolutely everything about it and I must admit one thing that I always [unclear], but I 'm so drawn to. Is, books that describe from the spirit person 's perspective. So a lot of the trance books, a lot of the silver birch books, a lot of the, what 's the other one called? Estelle Roberts that brought through, begins with R now, but it 's gone out my head. Ramada, that… I can 't think of his name.
Donna King:
Yeah, Ramadan. Ramadan. Yeah, exactly.
Jason Paul:
No, no, that 's… I don 't think that 's the name.
Donna King:
Maybe.
Jason Paul:
[unclear], you 're describing a religious festival there. I am. I 'll have to put it in the show notes, but that 's the one side. I love those books where the spirit person is literally telling us about that world, and it 's so… I always find that when you read those books as well, every single word has a place, and it makes sense, and you read those books, and you never look at them and go, oh, that doesn 't quite make sense. The spirit, the way the spirit world, bring that through is just absolutely fascinating and even with the Silver Birch books, it was said by Maurice Barbanell, who was the author of Psychic News, who went on to channel
Jason Paul:
What 's his name again? Red Cloud. Through him, it was the only material that he never, ever had to ever edit any of it. Any of the texts that came through him because it was always just so, I don 't want to use the word perfect, but it was just so fitting and so to the point that it never needed any editing. But, I 'm always saying to myself, I want to sit more, I want to sit more, because I love sitting these days. Because I always feel calmer, I always feel like I 've got a sense of clarity, I can sit feeling confused, and get up after 10 minutes feeling not confused. What other modality or thing is there on this planet that can provide such a sense of calm, clarity, and
Editor’s note:
The names become tangled during this part of the recording. Estelle Roberts worked with Red Cloud; Maurice Barbanell was the medium associated with Silver Birch. The spoken discussion is retained, with this clarification for readers. About Estelle Roberts
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Around 42:30
Consistency and giving development time
Jason Paul:
Love than the ability to sit and I, it 's like anything, it 's like you want to go to the gym, you want to build muscles, you want to, become better at anything, you 've got to just practice with it and I feel that. When I used to first start, one of the things me, I think me and you were terrible for is, we say we 're gonna go to the gym, or we say we 're gonna do anything, and of course. we set the bar at 6 times a week, that 's the aim, an hour each time, that 's where we 're starting. And that 's not helpful if you… it 's like the old tortoise and the hare. I remember, in my very early days of development.
Jason Paul:
There was another medium, a friend of mine called Melissa, and she would sit two times a week on this particular chair at a set time because she kind of saw it like she was making an appointment with her spirit team. They would know when to turn up because there 's a sense of routine. And that really made sense to me in the early days. And I thought, "No, I 'm sitting five times a week."Anyway, after about a year, I caught up with Melissa. She, from my viewpoint then, seemed to be, like she 'd taken off way above, where I felt I was on my development, because it 's like the tortoise and the hare. I set five times, she just does this consistent…
Jason Paul:
Regular sitting all the time and I feel that, if we, if you 're going to come into this, you 're coming into the world of mediumship, it 's not something that can be rushed, it 's not something where you can set yourself a year 's aim and say, in a year I 'm going to be a full-time medium with an absolutely bursting and buoyant mediumship practice, it doesn 't work like that, it is a journey that takes time because Of the fact that Mediumship. Because of the fact, and this is, I actually think, what we should talk about in the next installment, because the spirit world communicate. Through you, through your…
Jason Paul:
Emotions through every single experience you 've ever had, everything that you have been through, probably not just in this life but also past lives, but let 's keep this simple, we will say this life for now, they will use that in order to
Around 44:25
Memories, emotions and the language of mediumship
Jason Paul:
give the story to you so when a spirit person is communicating with me they 're going to draw on things I know and that 's why in the journey of mediumship you need to become as observant as possible if you want to start getting more as a medium let 's say door numbers you need to start becoming much more aware of door numbers in your everyday life because if something 's not in your repertoire of language or your repertoire of experience. How the hell can you then bring that through if you don 't know what that thing is? So, but there 's also something. because of the fact that the spirit world use your, emotions, they use your feelings, let 's say, I don 't know, you 've had a bit of a traumatic experience, Donna, with an ex.
Jason Paul:
Back when you was in your early 20s and he treated you awfully and you, just didn 't like this particular person and it was traumatizing to you at the time. The spirit world in a reading right now may use that and put that back into your consciousness in order to tell the spirit communicator who you 've got with you their story. is going to potentially bring up in you some level of emotion, or it can even re, kind of activate a past trauma. So, that 's why the journey of mediumship is healing, and I do often wonder to myself, when the spirit world are using those experiences that we 've had in our past.
Jason Paul:
They must understand with the intelligence that they have, how we feel about those experiences. I wonder, do they give that level of consideration to if they 're going to draw on that experience, the impact that can have on us as the medium?
Donna King:
Absolutely. I 'm a total believer that they will use what they feel is appropriate for you as the reader. if you 're sitting well within the harness of your power within that mediumship reading, emotions may come up. You 'll often find they are the person bringing the evidence through to the reciprocator. But I totally believe the spirit are far too intelligent to use something that 's going to trigger the trauma in me, because that would then bring me into a level of energy of awareness that would take me to my brain, because obviously the trauma tends to it sits within the body, and we can actually even you know heal stuff, but it will still move through you, so it 's more that again that feeling, that essence of trust in that.
Donna King:
what they bring through is relevant. like you said earlier, you can have people that have done quite bad things in this life come forward for people, and that 's the last person they want to hear from. But actually, the soul knows better. Spirit knows more that actually just that one touch of communication may be exactly what the person needs to start the journey of healing or to help the healing. So, the spirit, the intelligence of spirit will never cease to amaze me, it 's beyond, like I 've said before, it is beyond our comprehension in the way they move and what they use
Donna King:
it 's been said many times, the best mediums are the ones that have been through, like, living hells. And I 'm not sitting here saying, by far, I 'm the best medium, but good God, if that 's what they… if that 's true, then, I sure have some suitcases to use, so…
Jason Paul:
There 's, there 's definitely something in that because if I When I think back to any medium that I know that I hold in really high regard, they have had a life that I would describe as beyond challenging, absolutely beyond challenging Yes, and it 's definitely something about that with mediums who, have had traumatic lives and if I think about every medium I 've ever had on this, show I 'm, I 'm even trying to think of one that hasn 't had some level of But it 's, that 's what gives them the, I think, the humility, the softness, the way of being that makes them suitable for this work, because it takes a certain kind of somebody to be a medium, I think.
Jason Paul:
And that 's why I think you get people that come into this who have got a curiosity about spirit, and perhaps they 're gonna have their own relationship with spirit. Perhaps it might be they 're a musician or an artist or a creative and that. getting that inspiration from the world is going to be very good to them. But there 's a big difference between that and someone whose actual calling is to become a medium. And even myself, I said to myself in my 30s, I thought. what? My life? Why [unclear] is it so crazy? Why have I been through so much? Why, I don 't want to say I was like a certain type of magnet, a not very nice magnet, a magnet you want to keep near the toilet at one point, but, there 's something… there 's something in that, for instance.
Jason Paul:
So, but what I would also say is it 's very healing but whenever I go on mediumship courses, it does bring a lot of things to the surface, and, there 's nothing like mediumship to put an absolute magnifying glasses on the areas of your life that you need to address. And that can be overwhelming, it can be unsettling, it can be a source of, you know. I would even say it can be quite distressing at times if it 's bringing things up in you. And even on mediumship courses, every single mediumship course should, as part of the [unclear] of things you need during a week to run a mediumship course, a lot of tissues is definitely high up there, probably as important as food or water, I might say. The tissues, because it does, it brings a lot to the surface.
Jason Paul:
But it 's because of the fact that the spirit world are using everything of ours, that we have.
Around 50:53
Finding your way of working and a teacher who understands it
Jason Paul:
in order to use those experiences, those feelings, in order to communicate. And that 's why, mediumship is so individual. And it 's… and it 's… and that 's why, even as a teacher, a good teacher of mediumship is someone that encourages you to be an individual. And to find your own way of it working, because in actual fact, It was… the moment the penny dropped in my mind that I just needed to find my way and do it my… be… just find my way of doing it, was the moment when my mediumship took off, because it was those techniques of others, and it 's… it 's interesting. What one… what works for one person when sitting. doesn 't work for another. Like, I know a lot of mediums who will lead you into a meditation.
Jason Paul:
and one very well-known medium in particular, who will lead you down into your soul. And I can 't get my head around that, because the feeling of going down and in is any… it couldn 't be further from The pushing out of expansion of energy, which is what we actually do. So I used to think, I don 't get this whole going down into the soul. And it didn 't click with me because it would make me go smaller, not bigger. But that 's why you 've got to be really gentle with yourself in these early days of…
Jason Paul:
mediumship exploration because you might be sat with six other people all sitting around in a circle with a teacher at a day 's workshop at a lovely spiritualist church you 're so excited got your sandwiches ready and then you go into this course and you 're not feeling anything because and everyone else is saying yes I had this wonderful experience you told me to sit on a bench and all of a sudden I had I had this angel come and sit… you 're sitting there, and I remember it myself, sitting there going. Well, I 'm feeling absolutely bugger all, I 'm not feeling anything here, but that 's because that way.
Jason Paul:
wasn 't the right way for me. And it might just be, sometimes you might find the right way, it works for you one day, you feel a lot, and then the next day, you 're feeling nothing. And that could just be because you 're having a day where your head 's a bit all over the place, you 're having a day that 's been a bit of a hard day. And I would always say, if you sit with the intention of wanting to make a connection to your Spirit team and you don 't feel anything, I. promise you this, there is stuff happening, you were just not aware of it at that particular moment. The spirit world will be working with you in that moment, and they will be doing stuff to help you energetically, but just because you can 't feel it doesn 't mean it 's not happening.
Donna King:
Yeah, to me, this would be the importance of spirit-led teaching. And, having the ability…
Jason Paul:
Spirit-led teaching.
Donna King:
I went to a course once, I was sat. I was there to do mediumship, and I could just see and hear and feel everything that the teacher was experiencing. And I was like, spirit, what 's going on? It was like, we 're showing you what it is to teach. And so then, throughout the week, it then became that I was aware that what people had missed, what they couldn 't hear, what their guide needed them to know, how they needed to be brought back in that moment, et cetera, et cetera. So it 's about working with spirit. To give the person, the group, exactly what they need to touch them all as much as possible, because, again, they know better than we do. So just by being led by Spirit in that teaching.
Donna King:
you 're sort of basically moving to the side and some of it will come through intuitively because you 'll be prompted because they 'll be busy doing other things, to help you to know what to say if we see in the different areas, mediumship, spiritual guidance, intuition, they all have… they all play their part in the teaching, and that, different guides will do different things in relation to that as well. But to me, that 's the importance of teaching from spiritual teaching. spirit-led teaching to me, is… you can 't go wrong because they never get it wrong and they know what 's needed.
Jason Paul:
The teachers that I come across. You can so clearly tell the difference between a spirit led teacher and not because if you 're listening to this now and going, okay, fantastic, makes sense. I want to go with a teacher that 's teaching me through the intelligence of that of the spirit. Okay, how the hell do I find that teacher? Where do I look them up? Because it doesn 't seem to me like In the world of ChatGPT now, it will tell you a lot, but if I start saying to ChatGPT, tell me, which mediumship teachers are teaching through that of the spirit, you might struggle to get the answer to that, but you can feel it.
Jason Paul:
You can feel it because what they 're saying, there is a power behind it. And I remember the first ever time I would say that I came across a teacher. That was teaching from spirit. And the way I didn 't at this point really recognise in my development that 's what they were doing. I just thought they were an exceptional teacher. But the feeling I had was I came out of that lesson going, oh my God. Penny drop, penny drop, penny drop, and everyone in the room. is feeling touched in some way by what 's happened because the intelligence of the spirit world is they will Understand within the collective consciousness of the group what everyone in the group needs and that 's why.
Jason Paul:
Trance mediumship, when you see trance that 's real trance, and someone is really in that power, it should touch every single person in some way, in the room. Not all in the same way, and far from it. Because we 've all got our own lives and our own experiences but everyone will find something within that has touched them in some way and that 's, that 's, that 's really. What this is all about, isn 't it? It 's about how does something feel? How do you feel in the presence of that teacher? How do you feel in the presence of that workshop? How do you feel in the presence of your own essence and Company when you 're sitting in that space because this is a, this is all about developing feeling.
Jason Paul:
Not thinking. You might think someone 's a great teacher, but do you feel they are a great teacher once you 're in their presence? that 's very different, isn 't it? Because… and that 's about this journey, and what we 've been speaking about in these episodes so far, is all about your awareness, and how you feel. This… This series is about you developing and going on this journey does not require you to think.
Donna King:
It does not. And if you 're thinking, you 're in the wrong place. And you do need to get back into the field, and that, is a very basic concept of teaching, but, at the beginning of a class, you sort of put that out there, then you 'd, then I would. Spirit would just [unclear], if you 've got 2 people doing mediumship, they 're just going to pick up on and tell you what 's, what 's going on and what 's, what 's going wrong, so you can just pull the person back, okay, so open that up, what did you see, why did they show you them shoes
Donna King:
So, and again, that would be feeling, and staying in the essence of that power. So, as long as you stay in the feeling of your heart, and sitting within the divinity of your own true power, and knowing and understanding and mastering what they are. Is, is the key to all mediumship development.
Around 58:29
Holding your awareness while working with a sitter
Jason Paul:
And it is very difficult because when you are Developing, it is so difficult not to want to think, try, do. All of these things are gonna put you in your head, and it 's very difficult to move out of that, so I think very much to round this Episode of sitting and starting to sense and starting to become even more aware, we 're not just now becoming aware of your own energy, you 've got to build your energy, your power enough. to then feel the other world, because what 's happening in that moment when you touch the other world, why are you building your energy anyway? Well, I 'll tell you, because, we are dense down here on the, on the, earth plane, the world of matter. We are a dense vibration, and…
Jason Paul:
The spirit world are such a high vibration that what we need to do is raise our energy up, our power up. in order for them to bring their vibration down, so there 's a meeting in the middle, like an eclipse between the two worlds, the two consciousnesses. And that 's why you need to, understand this ability to build. But, why we started off with the psychic, which we will… Inevitably keep coming back to because, the psychic and the mediumship work side on side, when you 're doing a reading. with someone, or a medium reading, I 'm not sitting there going, oh, that 's mediumship, oh, that 's psychic. Both are working, naturally as an expression, but they do work side on side, and that 's why you 've got to become aware of your own energy, and even the act of sitting
Jason Paul:
in your power is an act of becoming aware of how to manipulate and build that in order to then make that connection with the spirit world. And one of the big things after learning how to build the power is learning how to hold the power. And that 's one of the difficulties of, if you want to get out there like I do and want to demonstrate your mediumship.
Jason Paul:
Holding that power for a long period of time, 60 minutes, 90 minutes, it takes a lot of practice to be in that power to also keep your attention on the other world rather than the world in front of you, which again takes a lot of time because if you 've got a sitter who starts, you say something to them, you get something and then they start talking or they say a no or they Then want to just expand on something straight away your awareness is over, which is why the ability to stay focused on the spirit person is another thing that just takes time.
Jason Paul:
And practice, but you 've just got to be gentle with yourself. I know we 've, we 're saying a lot on this series as well about the mind and not wanting to be in the mind. The mind is not the enemy here. And I have to be clear about that as well, because if you feel that the mind is the enemy, you have to remember that the mind is being used by the spirit world. When they put something into our awareness, they are using our brain in order to do that.
Jason Paul:
So it 's not the enemy. As such, because the mind is being used and if you sit there and say, oh god, I 've got another thought coming to my mind, I 'm so angry, you 're, you 're, you 're, you 're being hard on yourself and you 're not really, you 're gonna find that because of that way in which you 're viewing it, that in itself isn 't helpful because really you just need to be gentle to yourself in every. Way possible, but just understand that this is about feeling and sensing, not thinking. But the mind is not the enemy because ultimately is the mind that the spirit world is using to impress these images and sensations upon you. Agree with that? Absolutely.
Donna King:
Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, from top to toe. Spirit just kept saying to me then, no expectations of self, no expectations of spirit, trust in yourself and trust in spirit. And, they kind of go hand in hand, because We often want an expectation, we want a feeling, we want to hear something, we want, we want, we want human, the dense Which just leads you into the mind rather than learning to sit in so, 2, 2 beautiful keys for learning to sit within your own power and noting the shift in that they 're absolutely right is expectation, expect, no expectation and trust. To have trust in yourself, trust in spirit, and have no expectations of anything. Because they will always know, as we 've just said shortly earlier, they will know exactly what we need in our journey of development.
Donna King:
know, and the best that they can do is lead you to unfold that with what 's said and prompted. For the mediums that are in front of you.
Jason Paul:
Your spirit team know exactly what it is that you need at any one time. And you do make an interesting point because when you say you sit with that expectation of wanting something, that is your humanness still being very much in the world of matter, in the world of physical things. Always there being an expectation. Expectation is one of the biggest blocks.
Jason Paul:
And by having an expectation, you might say, oh, I need this, or I want this, or I require this proof. All you are doing by virtue of doing that is you are limiting the intelligence of the spirit world. But I understand if you 're in the beginning of your journey, you might not realize how intelligent this world is, but the very fact that they can draw upon it, I can 't even remember what I had for dinner last Wednesday, yet the spirit world can draw. on something that happened to me 20 years ago that I 'd completely forgotten about, that pops into my awareness, and you almost… I almost think to myself. They are just in awe and wonder of the fact that, when they want to come and communicate with us down here.
Jason Paul:
we might think, oh, it 's a lot to learn another language where we speak to a whole nother nation. if I go and learn Spanish, at least I can speak to a lot of different countries, a lot of different continents who speak Spanish. When you want to talk to a loved one through a medium, you 've got to pick up the dictionary of their life experiences and how they feel about each thing, but not just how they felt about it 10 years ago, how they feel about it now. And if you trigger that
Jason Paul:
sensation, that memory, that emotion within me? Am I going to feel that particular way about that at that time to be able to convey what that person wants about it? This is bloody complicated, isn 't it, on how it works on their side. We 've got the easy end of the bargain in a lot of ways.
Donna King:
It is again, it 's about trusting them to use, the tool that you are and all your experiences to put on to use within.
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Trusting the communication and being of service
Donna King:
your abilities as a medium and they will continue to do so, I 've always had a love of languages, always wished I, had this opportunity to travel throughout my life, unfortunately that 's not the way my life was led Due to experiences. So what they did do is they pulled on them languages. So, I 've said to Spirit before, okay, so, you have to sort of really sit in your clairaudience for languages, and it 's very tussle between, because obviously the mind wants to go to, oh my god, what am I, what is that you want me to say? But trusting in it. So, again, getting out of the way, no expectations and trusting in it, I 've Korean, Japanese, German, Spanish.
Donna King:
Spanish, I knew a little bit from school, but I recall that whatever this grandmother, I remember where I was sat and it got me to say, was nothing that was in my vocabulary of Spanish. I could say [unclear], and that is pretty much it.
Jason Paul:
Well, it 's the same as me. I can order [unclear phrase]. In Spain.
Donna King:
Yeah, exactly.
Jason Paul:
[unclear]
Donna King:
They will always use, what they can and not just on life experiences, on interests. on them creating… because all humans, to me, are creative. even the logical ones that are sat in front of computers all day, every day, there is a level of creativity and, within that. So they will use that, and pull on that, because obviously there 's a passion in that, and anything that sits through, the energy of the heart is usable.
Donna King:
I just, the first time I did a bit of Korean, you could have knocked me down. I 'm like, what? but they never cease to amaze. I totally don 't really take any credit for it other than, I 've spent a lifetime working on my ability to allow them the opportunity to use me in that way. And actually, it was really heartfelt for the individual in front of me because she didn 't use her. English name. She used her Korean name, and said something that was, that the young lady really needed to hear. So, for me, it 's always about being of service. We 're always the phone in the middle, if you like. And so there 's no real credit taken. I think it 's all credit to Spirit in teaching me and helping me
Donna King:
to how to better my, mediumship, and developing that using all of the life experiences I 've had as their tools to be able to get forward what they want and need to put forward.
Jason Paul:
Interesting, interesting, interesting. Well, I don 't think we could have packed more into that hour if we tried. Next time we will be discussing in more detail the language that the spirit world use. The language of the soul. That 's the phrase I want to use because it feels very appropriate. But until then, Donna King, thank you once again for coming on the Mediumship Sessions.
Jason Paul is a psychic medium based in Bristol, giving private readings online to clients across the UK and around the world. He is the grandson of medium and healer Eddie Paul, and came to mediumship after careers as a police officer and the founder of a legal recruitment business. Jason hosts the Soul Sync podcast and teaches online psychic and mediumship development classes.
