I want you to think back to a reading. One you've had, or, if you're a medium, one you've given. What do you remember about it? The name, the date, the house number? Or how it made you feel?
Those aren't the same thing. A medium can be accurate, fact after fact after fact, and still leave you feeling nothing. Another can give you less and change the way you see your whole life.
So what actually makes a medium effective? That's the question I put to Christine Morgan for Part 3 of The Art of Mediumship Curriculum on Soul Sync. Christine has been working as a medium for nearly forty years and founded The School of Intuitive Arts and Mediumship in Sydney. I've sat in her circles, and there's a phrase of hers that has really stayed with me.
Where's the grit?
When someone starts working in Christine's circle, she'll ask, "Where's the grit?" Everybody laughs, but she means it.
If you're going to tell her that someone is communicating from the spirit world, it has to be more than "your mum's here, she had a heart attack, and you need to drink more water." As Christine put it, if your mum has a few precious moments to speak to you through a medium, is she really going to spend them on your bad back?
Evidence matters. The spirit world know they have to identify themselves. But beyond the detail there's the story of a life: who they were, what they did, and why they've made the effort to come through at all. Even if the reason is simply "I'm still here" or "I still love you", that's purposeful. Yes, grandmothers baked. There's a lot more to a grandmother than an apron.
What really landed for me was why so many readings stay on the surface. A lot of the time, Christine says, the medium won't let the communication build. They grab a piece of evidence, identify who it is, and then the mind is off snatching the next piece, and the next. It can sound gritty because it's proving something. But the real grit is the meaning. In her words, it becomes a story of fact rather than the story of a life.
I know that difference from the sitter's chair too. Some readings describe my family. Others move me. The way I tell them apart is how I feel when it's over.
Let the spirit world lead the dance
Christine's answer is to stop leading. The spirit world know what they want to portray and which steps to take. If you truly blend with them, you bring them to life, you feel the life of them, and hopefully the person in front of you feels it too.
She also said something every working medium should hear. Take a moment to ask the person, "Does that bring you comfort? Do you feel comfortable with what I've shared?" She doesn't think enough of us do it.
I've had readings recently where I've got to the end, the person has looked a bit dumbfounded, and I've had no idea whether I've helped. For us, the spirit world is everyday. For someone who has never had a communication before, it's enormous. They might only ever have one reading, and they'll never forget it.
Which is where Christine's warning about the "sausage factory medium" comes in. Get them in, get them out. I do like a sausage. I don't want to be that kind of medium.
The night I wanted the stage to swallow me up
I told Christine about a recent demonstration that didn't go to plan at all.
All day I'd felt the presence of spirit so strongly that I thought, this is going to be one night. Then I walked out in front of a packed room, and all I could feel was the expectation of who everyone wanted to hear from. When people couldn't take the links, the energy dipped, and getting it back up was like wading through treacle. At one point I said to a lady, "I know I'm with you," and she wouldn't take it. Eventually she said yes, but it wasn't who she wanted to hear from. My family were in the audience. I've been reviewing it for days.
What I've taken from it is trust, and the fact that I go off like a whippet. Some of that is the movement of the power, but that night I wasn't letting it build.
Christine's reply is one I'll hold on to. Every medium, if they're honest, will tell you about a time they bombed. About thirty years ago in Western Australia, when she was doing around three churches a week, she pulled into a car park after a service and couldn't drive for crying. She was convinced she'd let the spirit world down.
In those moments, she said, you climb a self-doubt ladder and forget everything you did well before. Her advice is to keep taking your mind back to the times you did a good job. I wrote more about that in Belief or Knowing? Self-Doubt and the Unfinished Journey of Trust.
She recognised the rushing, too. In her early years she was so excited to work that she ran on adrenaline. Bang, bang, bang, then after about four contacts it would go flat, because she was working off her own energy rather than blending properly. Breathe. Pause. Let the contact build.
Why are mediums so hard on themselves?
I want to really push this point, because I see it all the time in my classes and circles.
So many people are incredibly hard on themselves in mediumship. That's understandable. It's generally sensitive people who are drawn to this work, and sensitive people feel it deeply when something goes wrong. We're bringing through someone who matters to the person sitting in front of us, so of course we put pressure on ourselves.
But getting things wrong is part of the process. It's part of learning to trust, and so much of mediumship comes down to trusting what you receive. You can't learn that without the times it doesn't land.
You also have to be free to experiment. How else do you find out how the spirit world communicate with you? It's trial and error. That's exactly what my classes focus on: The Power of You for psychic development, and Moving in the Intelligence of Spirit for mediumship. Both are about learning to trust what you receive, in a space where getting it wrong is welcome. If you'd rather start somewhere free, my Tuesday development circle is open to all levels.
Getting to a stage where you're comfortable with the word "no" is a really good place to arrive at. Christine put it simply: "Oh, no. That's okay, I made a mistake. Let me carry on with the contact."
And here's something I wish someone had told me sooner. You can get into a lovely groove where reading after reading goes really well, then have a few that don't. That isn't always going backwards. Sometimes the spirit world have decided you're ready to unfold a different part of your mediumship. The difficult experiences are the ones we learn the most from.
Can the spirit world hear every thought?
Then we went deeper, and some of Christine's answers might surprise you.
She doesn't believe every thought we have reaches the spirit world. They aren't hanging off us, reading our minds. What does reach them, she believes, is thought with real intention and purpose behind it. For her, that's what prayer is: not words out of a book, but a personal conversation from the heart.
What are our guides, really?
This is the part I think will reassure a lot of developing mediums. In nearly forty years, Christine has clairvoyantly seen her guides perhaps a couple of dozen times, mostly when she was in real need. She can feel them and often hear them, but she doesn't need to know who they are. You don't need to link with a guide to make a communication.
She challenged me, too. When I described a guide who stepped forward in a suit of armour, she suggested it could just as easily be an archetype, an aspect of my own soul. Some of what people call guides may be exactly that, and family members in spirit can help us as well. I once had someone ask, when my business was going through a bad patch, whether I'd called on my business guide. I didn't know I had one.
Christine's advice: don't guide-worship. Get to know your team, send them your thoughts, and don't overlook the wisdom that comes from your own soul.
And negative entities? Christine is clear. The spirit world she works with is a world of love and intelligence. Nothing negative can hurt you, she says, except your own mind and how you interpret what you feel. Someone who isn't used to the feeling of spirit could turn a loving great-grandmother into the wicked witch.
What to look for when you have a reading
If you're not a medium yourself and you're wondering what a good reading looks like, this conversation is a pretty good guide.
A good medium will tell you upfront that they can't guarantee who comes through, or whether anyone will. Christine doesn't ask who you want to hear from, because that colours the medium's mind. Sometimes the next-door neighbour turns up before Mum. And a good reading gives you more than facts. You should get a sense of the person and why they've come, and you should feel something.
If you'd like to know how a sitting works, I've written about what happens during a mediumship reading. If you'd like to experience it for yourself, you can book a reading with me.
Be effective for yourself
I asked Christine to close the episode, and she turned the whole question back on us. You can only be an effective reader, medium or healer when you're effective for yourself. Come from grace, kindness and honesty, and be brave enough to say, "I made a mistake there," or "I need to do more work on that." You never really arrive. But you come to understand yourself, the spirit world and humanity a little better, and that makes you a better channel for the other world.
Thank you, Christine. You can find out more about her teaching and readings on Christine's website.
Listen to the full conversation on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Spiritual Takeaways
Evidence identifies; purpose transforms. Look past the facts for the story of a life and the reason they've come.
Let the spirit world lead the dance. Grabbing for the next piece of evidence keeps a reading on the surface.
Check in with the person in front of you. A simple "Does that bring you comfort?" makes a reading more effective.
Every medium has nights it goes wrong. Review honestly, then take your mind back to the times you did well.
Make friends with the word "no". Say you made a mistake and carry on with the contact.
Don't guide-worship. You don't need a named guide to make a communication, and some of that wisdom is your own soul's.
Be effective for yourself first. Grace, kindness and honesty make you a better channel.
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Jason: Hello, and welcome to the Soul Sync. I'm Jason Paul. I want you to think back to a reading you've had. Or, if you're a medium, a reading you've given. What do you remember about it? The name, the date, the house number? Or how it made you feel? Because those aren't the same thing. A medium can be accurate, fact after fact after fact, and still leave you feeling nothing. Another can give you less, and change the way you see your whole life. So what actually makes a medium effective?
That's the question at the heart of today's episode, and I'm so happy to say Christine Morgan is back for Part 3 of The Art of Mediumship Curriculum. Christine has been working as a medium for nearly forty years, and there's a phrase she uses in circle that has really stayed with me: "Where's the grit?" Not the baking and the apron. The story of a life. The reason that person in spirit has made the effort to come through at all. We talk about letting the spirit world lead the dance.
About not becoming what Christine calls a "sausage factory medium". And, honestly, about the nights it goes wrong. I share a demonstration of mine that didn't go to plan at all, and Christine tells me about the time she sat in her car after a church service and cried, because she thought she'd let the spirit world down. Then we go deeper. Can the spirit world hear every thought we have? What are our guides, really? And do negative entities exist? Christine's answers might surprise you. Whether you're developing your own mediumship, or you've ever sat in front of a medium and wondered what was really going on, I think this one will stay with you.
So take a breath, settle in, and let's begin.
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Jason: I am so excited to say this, Christine Morgan. It's been a long time. Welcome back to the Soul Sync
Christine: Thank you, Jason. Thank you for inviting me again. It's lovely to be with you.
Jason: Oh, it's very lovely to be with you, and I love every time you come on, and, I'm very excited, so it's lovely to have you back. So we're talking about, uh, a subject today, which is, an interesting one, which is the effective reader. What does that mean, firstly?
Christine: Okay. what mean to me? I guess it means the same to me as to a lot of people. people have different perceptions of it m- of what they feel is effective in their reading. For me, the effective reader is someone who actually provides a recipient, a client if they're working with personal clients, you form of upliftment, guidance, support, something that actually the recipient can move forward with in their life if they need to move forward, or perhaps it's just even to encourage an enticing query of thought about something in their life.
So to be effective doesn't mean, you know, as a medium s- like bashing them with m- you know, strings of evidence, because it's not really purposeful, is it? I mean, the evidence is needed, we know that, but there has to be meaningfulness and purpose behind what we do. So whether you're working as an intuitive, a psychic, whether you're giving guidance, doing a soul reading, or whether you're actually portraying from the spirit world, you want something that is effective in their lives. So perhaps if it's evidential, how do you present that evidence?
What are you doing? And, you know, how structured are you in your work? Are you too structured? Do you really surrender to what the spirit want you to impress upon the recipient? And when you're working intuitively, are you answering their questions in a way that's positive and uplifting and healing for them, not just psychic fluff? You know, you drive a pink car, and you like black cats, and you've got a broomstick. Not the fluff. Let's get real, because our work should be about people and their lives, whether it's people in the other world or whether it's people living a life here.
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Jason: Hmm. Interesting. Even something you mentioned the other day when I was in one of your, glorious circles was you stated, and it did, stick with me, that when you wanna make a start in a reading, you have got this relationship with your spirit team where you want grit, and, and Chris,
Christine: everybody laughs 'cause I mean, they say where, I say, I say, "Where's the grit?" And that means to me, like, you know, if you're going to tell me someone is communicating with you from the other world, it has to be more than, "Your mum's here." And she had a heart attack, and you know, you need to drink more water," or you've got a bad back," or, "You need to look after yourself. It has to be a bit more grit than that. I think the spirit world, being so intelligent, they come with more than that.
And s- yet some people are willing to accept, you know, half-baked messages about things like that. One, they don't prove proof of survival, and secondly, I mean really is if your mum has got a few moments to talk to you from the other world through a medium, is she really gonna tell you to drink more water and you've got a bad back, look after yourself? Wouldn't she be expressing a little bit more? The spirit world know they've gotta identify themselves, but beyond the detail and the evidence, we need to have the story of their life, of who they are, what they did, and the purpose of them coming back.
even if the purpose is just to say, "I'm still around you. I'm still alive. I'm here. I now believe," or, "I still love you." That's still purposeful. So when I say grit, you know, w- give me the grit. Where's the grit? I don't want you to… Yes, we all know grandmothers baked, but you've gotta think about the genre and the age, et cetera, but there's more to people than baking and wearing an apron, and there's more to grandmothers than that. Does that make sense?
Jason: It, it does, and I understand that because it really, separates when I have a reading, when it's just someone describing my family member, and I think the ultimate way actually I, I can distinguish between it is how I feel at the end of the reading, how I feel during the reading. Do I feel touched? Do I feel emotion has been invoked, or is it a reading where it's just feels like it's just piece of information after piece of information after piece of information? And, th- there's a big difference between that because, It's interesting though, isn't it, even on that point, because if someone is bringing through, what you would say is, I don't know, vanilla kind of evidence, and that's what they're getting, how is the medium coloring that?
Because obviously, as you said, the spirit person, communicator, if they're gonna come through, they are making a significant effort to want to come through for a reason. So when some- a medium is only bringing through this kind of fluff, as you might, describe it, which I do think is a lovely adjective, what is it that… Why is that only happening? Is it because the medium isn't allowing themselves to go deeper within the communication, and they, and they're just keeping it surface level in some way?
Christine: possibly, yes. That is one area. development, the lack of true blending in the power with the communicator, and a lot of mediums don't allow the communication to build. They grab a piece of evidence- identify who it is, and then their little minds are grabbing and, and more detail, and more detail and another piece of evidence, which might sound gritty because it's proving it, but the real grit is like the purpose, the meaningfulness. You know what heals your recipient? What inspires them? What motivates their soul? Are they open to this wonderful divine connection of communication from the afterlife?
How is that going to affect their life? Will it open a door of inquiring thought within their own mind? Or are they perhaps already on a spiritual path and they feel supported? So when that happens, one, it can be lack of development and lack of understanding on the medium's part of they don't allow the story and the communicator to unfold. They're so busy snatching the next piece, the next piece, the next piece. It becomes a story of fact rather than the story of a life.
Jason: Mm. And I understand that because I, those sorts of readings, yes, they touch me and I'm always very grateful when a loved one comes through to me, but it, it doesn't move me in some way. And I know that when my grandad and dad and all my other, various, loved ones come through, they're always wanting to give me advice, and that really moves me. But I guess one of the things is when you are going in to do a reading, even from the beginning, someone is not normally coming just because they want to hear from a loved one just in itself.
There's always, I feel, some sort of a deeper meaning or a deeper need, or there's something that sits alongside that, that they're needing something in their own life. Would you agree with that or disagree with that?
Christine: would. I would. And sometimes they don't know, you know, they might not realize themselves, or they don't know what motivates their own soul or what heals them, or, they can't measure how effective their reading is. And sometimes it's not till later where some people will say, oh, that had a profound effect on their life, or their belief systems, or just their understanding, or it brought an element of healing and peace to know their loved ones are there. or, you know, do they sometimes need to have, recognition, from people who've passed over?
Do they still want to be recognized as someone who still loves them or is living or working in their honor, whatever? And so there's so many various ways that the medium's mind can go, but I think what we have to recognize is that we have to have good evidence to clarify. And great evidence is when we get fantastic memories, obscure things, unusual things, and it's all weird and wonderful, and very wonderful for the spirit world to do that. But the spirit world are not just a, a stream of energy with loads of facts.
So they, they're, they're emotional, and they are expressive, and that blending with the medium's mind, if the medium allows that to build and create the contact so the contact builds, actually, I will say, Jason-
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Christine: The spirit world will always lead the dance. We should never be the leader of the dance. We should let them lead the dance because they know what they want to portray, and they have to work through all the different filters in the medium's mind, or the intuitive's minds if it's psychic. But, you know, when you really truly blended with the spirit world, let them lead the dance. They know what steps to take, and if you really blend with them and move them in that power, you will bring them to life, and you will feel the life of them, and therefore, hopefully, move your recipient.
Now, that doesn't happen all the time because we do have people who say, "Well, prove it to me," or, "No, I can't feel them," or, you know, "Are they hanging around?" Et cetera, et cetera. All the weird and wonderful questions. But the purpose of it is if you just take a few moments at the beginning of your session or afterwards to say to your client, the person you're reading, "Does that bring you comfort? Does that give you a little bit of understanding or do you feel comfortable with what I've expressed to you?" And I don't think enough mediums do that
Jason: Well, this is the, this is the thing, isn't it? You can do a reading, and how do you even know half the time if you've been effective? Because, well, I- I- I've had a number of readings in recent times where I get to the end, the person looks a bit dumbfounded, and then I sort of go, "Well, have I done a good job? Have I not?" You know. And then sometimes you don't even know till a long time afterwards because it's, you know, if you're giving them a lot of information and they haven't heard from someone, depending on where they are in their belief system, a lot of people can be in kind of a state of, you know, almost needing to process it and shock at what they've perhaps, heard.
So you don't you've been effective.
Christine: Well, that's it. So therefore, it's in the responsibility of the medium's hands to make sure your recipient is comfortable and is understanding, or at least feels supported in that situation, especially if we're dealing with someone in grief, or we're dealing with someone who doesn't normally have readings, or they've never had a communication from the afterlife before. We have to remember, for people like ourselves who are mediums, and we live, talk, and breathe the spirit world like it's just normal, because it is to us, for some people, it's not.
It's absolutely not. And so you might conduct a reading that might shape their life, or they, they might only have one in their life, and they'll never forget it. So the purpose and the meaningfulness behind your reading has to be, well, how effective is it? Did I help the spirit world by communication? Did I help my recipient by communication? And where was I in the middle of that? You know, I think that we have to recognize the emotive meaning behind our work, and we we need to step back as mediums and recognize that emotive meaning in our work, our approach, our content, how we summarize things up, how we finish a reading, how we leave people.
People might come, you know, my little office here, they come in, they have a session, and then they leave and go out into everyday life, but I might have said something to them which might be quite mind-boggling, ' because they've never spoke about the afterlife before. And for myself, I do it every day. It's very natural. But for them, it's like, "Oh my God, I've lost my dad, and my dad just came and told this woman this. How can that be?" And so I think sometimes the enormity of what we do is lost somewhere, and I think sometimes it's always good to pull a medium back and go, "Look, how effective is your work?
Are you becoming- like what I call sausage factory medium. Are you just like a little packet of sausages? You're another sausage factory medium. Get them in, get them out, get them in, get them out. You know, and it's ba ba, ba ba, ba ba. Whether you can look at yourself as to say, "Is it effective?" you know, am I attached to the response of my recipient? Where where does my attachment lie in this? What am I providing and what am I doing?" I think they're very positive, thoughts that you should have at any stage of your mediumship.
I don't care how well-developed you are. I don't care if you've done it 30 years or three years. It's about understanding about what you're doing
Jason: No one wants to be a sausage factory medium, do they? There's nothing wor- there's nothing be. I do like a sausage, but not, I don't want to be that of a medium
Christine: That's it … And so you understand what I mean by
Jason: Yes, I do. The, the difficulty you've got as a medium, and I think this is so relevant to people at a lot of stages of their journey, is you want to be effective. You want to really do that person in front of you a good job. And if, re- really, that's the reason we all come into this, isn't it? To do a good job because we care, I'd like to think. That's why most people come into this for the right reasons. But then you're doing that dance, aren't you?
Because for you to be effective within the reading, you need to be fully within the power and with the spirit communicator in order to make sure what's coming through. But to be, effective in a lot of senses, you need to be also with that person. So this is where it starts getting complicated. You know, where are you within that sort of triangle? And I guess even, you know, I, it does make me laugh a lot when we do readings because you s- I used to start my readings off like this, right.
You know, this is how I work. can you give me yes, no, or maybe, or whatever. And by the time you've sort of ran through this list of criteria at the beginning, you've sort of made the person close up because they feel like, goodness me, I can't say anything. So there's a lot to even be said for how you set the, I want to say, set scene at the beginning.
Christine: absolutely. And I, and I, th- you know, I actually think that, you know, most people are very kind a- and graceful and very decent folk. And I think all you have to do is treat your people that come to talk to their loved ones through you with grace and kindness, and just be a nice person. Because really, what's going on is not your business. You are simply the medium, which is just the channel in between. You're the messenger. but you, in that interconnectedness between the spirit world, your mind, and the mind of the recipient, you are responsible.
You are responsible for what comes out of your mouth. And so in that interconnectedness, you have to think, "Well, where am I? What am I doing, and what's happening here? You know yourself. It comes through your own filters, through your own perception, and every d- every medium can have the same communicator, but they can express different elements of themselves in different ways according to the medium or how the communication is being done. So I think that what we have to do is remember, one, e- most mediums are very responsible, but, you know, be graceful and kind and explain and express and, and understand there's an emotion here that we're dealing with, and we're not just delivering grit and facts.
We are actually touching people's hearts. and we're talking about a life that's been lived, and that life that has been lived is still loved by somebody here, so it, it needs respect
Jason: It does, and i- if you think about the state that people come to see a medium in a lot of the time, those sorts of people would be going a lot of the time to people who are maybe doctors, psychologists, counselors, and mediums are this kind of, strange profession in a lot of senses. But a lot of mediums, you know, don't really have any sort of, you know, qualifications in these types of areas, and we're dealing with very vulnerable people, and I feel that a lot of the time you get mediums who are so in their own head about wanting to do a good job, or they're so in a place that isn't, you know, necessarily being really mindful of what they're doing.
Because, you know, you can really affect someone's life in the course of this. Um- you've gotta be careful of that
Christine: well, sometimes we can, we can do things, we can overgeneralize, you know, we've got our mental filtering. We can- make things like a catastrophe, and they're not. We can actually be over dramatic with it. We need to, that we can label things and we can personalize things, and we have to be aware of all those little elements within the reading because all of that affects the reading of how we produce, how we perceive, how that flows through our filters and perception and mind. So I do think that we have to look at where we can… Can we make that a catastrophe?
Do we… Are we overdramatic? Do we overgeneralize? Are we labeling things? You know, we have to remember where we are, what our filters are like. And sometimes you get something wrong, and do you make it a drama because you think because one thing's wrong, everything is wrong? You know, you should just say, "Oh, no. That's okay, I made a mistake. Let me carry on with the contact, please." You know, just be open and honest. And I think that most mediums that I know that work today who are very good mediums in good standing, the most important thing is that people are natural.
Just be natural. Be you. Be you in your mediumship, and be natural. I laugh and cry with my clients. I have tears, I have laughter, you know, I have funny comments. I don't sort of sit there like, "I've got your dad here, do, do, do, do. I've got your mum here, do." do." do." do." I engage, and I think that's important that people remember they're in a f- a state of conscious engagement with the divine and with the person here. So if you remember you're in a state of conscious engagement, you can have this beautiful triangle of communication: yourself, the medium, and the recipient.
what's our emotional responses like to people? If we make judgments of people when they walk into our, to have a reading. We have to be mindful of so much. So much. But to be effective, you do need to review because you don't want to be stuck in a pattern all the time. You don't want to be dishing out the same stuff all the time because every person is different, and every spirit mind is different.
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Jason: It's very easy to get stuck into those grooves, though, with the same way of working. And I, I, I've had to say to my spirit team, you know, on a number of occasions, and I always give a little disclaimer, though, when I do this. I say, "Look, I would really like you to sort of help me expand in this area or to sort of have a different way of starting." But then I always say, "asterisk, you know, please don't do anything that's going to make me start going backwards." But the journey of a medium is not an easy one.
And I used to think actually, that the job I did before, high level sales, it doesn't get any harder than this, brokering deals. And then I sort of come into a medium and, this full-time medium life of mine now, and it is incredibly humbling because y- you know, you feel on top of the world one day and then I'll Well, I'll talk about a demo I had the other day. It was… Well, I certainly didn't feel effective by the end of that, so much so that I wanted the, the stage to swallow me up, Christine, Because, I went out there, and the weird thing was, all day I had felt so much presence of spirit around me.
I'd felt the communicators and I thought, "This is going to be one night." But all I could feel when I got out there was the expectation of who everyone wanted to hear from. And it is very difficult, and it's very different as well, when you're standing in front of people in a big, packed out room compared to that of online. The energy is different. And it's very hard when people aren't taking a communicator even to keep your attention in the power and with them. And I do think I've learnt a lot from it, but it, you know, some of the most painful lessons along the way, lead to the biggest growth
Christine: Absolutely. And, you know, every medium, every medium, if they're honest enough will tell you they've had a day where they've bombed Every medium, if they're honest enough, will tell you, "Oh, God, I bombed today. I didn't do a good, good dem. That wasn't great. I was grasping," or, "I didn't stay with the communicator well enough." You know? All of that is part of learning and growth. What we have to do then is step back and say, Why did that happen? Have we gone out too early?
Are we ex- do we have an expectation that every dem's gonna be fantastic? Are we, like, looking at the presentation?" Because you're absolutely right. How you present, how you work with the power is very different in a packed audience to a one-to-one. It's still the power, but it's different. And so it's about audience control, people management, how you manage yourself within the power in that connection. So there's so many different things when you're talking about stagecraft, and you're talking about presence and being in front of people.
And most people will have times when they have terrible dems. I've… You know, I remember doing a church service many, many, many years ago. Must be about 20, 30, well, about 30 years ago now if I think back, and I was in Western Australia, and I'd been out demming and doing church services for years. I used to do about three churches a week. And I remember literally pulling up my car in a car park and crying because I couldn't drive my car for the tears because I thought I'd done such a bad job by Spirit, you know?
I was only… You know, I was probably just about round about Late 20s, 30, and I just thought, "Oh my God, that was terrible, Christine. What happened? I've let the spirit world down. I can't work for you anymore. I did this, I did that." And you go on this self-doubt ladder, and you fail to remember in those moments what you did before that
Jason: Oh my goodness,
Christine: Right? And you have to keep taking your mind back to when you did a good job
Jason: Mm. It, honestly, it was… I felt so humiliated at this experience. Bless even Gordon Higginson came in before, and I thought, "Oh, this is going to be an amazing night," you know? But now I understand that it was reassurance for the absolutely awful, experience that was about to come. And I, and it was humiliating 'cause my family were there, but I understand the lesson, and the lesson I have taken from it is about trust. And I trust in the spirit world implicitly, but I have this way of being where I, feel the pressure to want to do a good job, and I n- I feel the lesson for me was, one, about trust, but two, it was about, I go off like a whippet at times, and I'm so quick.
And sometimes, yes, I can say that's, that's the flow of the power and that's the movement of the power, but I wasn't letting the power build enough. Now, the problem was the energy in that room started to dip when no one could take it, and it was like treading through treacle to get it back up. And it was quite interesting, because at one point I had this particular contact and I said to this lady, "I know I'm with you," and she wouldn't even take it. And it was almost like, eventually she said, "Well, yes," you know, but it wasn't who I wanted to hear from.
And I'd, in my mind, I was "Goodness me, give me strength," you know. But it's-
Christine: Well, that does happen, And so then you have the role of explaining to the public that they're not on demand. we don't dial up the spirit. We can't control who comes through, and finding a way to present who came through to her in a positive way that, you know, she enjoyed the communication. But the thing is, is that you do get moments like that, and you, you have to look at it as a learning process, and then think, "Okay, you know, was that too big an audience," or, what happened to me?
Where was I in the day?" Like you said, you felt the presence of the spirit. What happened? Why could I not sit in that power? And one of the things you've said there I think is very important is, and I learned this at a very early age, that I would get so excited, I'd be so excited on the platform- to work for the spirit world, I loved it, that I didn't realize in my very, very early years, many, many moons ago, I was working a lot off the adrenal, adrenaline, the energy that was around me.
And so I would get bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, and then after about four contacts it would just go flat. because I was working with my own energy as opposed to blending properly, even though the spirit was there, blending properly and building the contact, and staying with the power. And so that's a very good, thing to learn when you're first going out there in Dems, is that the excitement creates an energy with you, and you can work off that. It's the same when we're emotional. The spirit world will use the energy of the emotion.
But you have to remember, there has to come a time when you've gotta blend properly. You've gotta be in that power and let the contact build slowly. Pau… Remember to breathe. pause, Talk. Don't be like, "La, la, la, la, And I was so fast it was bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. I was like a rat up a drainpipe
Jason: I was much the same actually, and I felt that as, as, you know, I was getting more unstuck, I was almost sort of in some ways going quicker. But I understand now that, I had a big learning yesterday when I did a reading, and I thought, "I'm gonna really take my time now to build up this power." And actually, I was having fun with it, with the communicator, with the backwards and the forwards, and bringing them to life, and now your mum says this. But I just feel that we put, and so many people can probably relate to this, you put yourself under such pressure that y- you're sort of losing the element of even, you know, bringing that person to life in the right way because it's just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, And I do feel that you have to be careful though, because you don't wanna start consciously slowing down, because that then puts you in your head, and there's this rhythm that you've got to have which is building of it, but continuing to deliver it and not… There's a l- so much going on during the reading that, you know, if I stop or the c- the sitter, even now, like when a sitter starts, talking, j- and, and wanting to say stuff to me, I'm almost, like, completely trying to not listen to it because, it's ruining my flow and rhythm.
but it takes a lot of practice. And I have to say, I think being a medium is, again, you, you, might disagree with this, I think it's the hardest job in the world, because of the fact of what it…
Christine: Yes, okay, it's simple.
Jason: It's simple. But I… Well, n- no, it's s- ……the …the process is simple, that's what makes it so hard, but it is the hardest job in the world.
Christine: Well, it is, but it's so rewarding. But I have to say to you, I think that y- you're quite right, you don't want to slow down too much, ' because you don't want the, the brain to catch you and start thinking. As soon as you shift your awareness from the communicator or start bringing in your own thoughts or ad-libbing of your own comments, you're moving your awareness away from the communicator. You want to stay in their awareness. As soon as you start saying, "Mm," y- you move your awareness away, and that's when it gets faulty.
And I think that what we have to do is recognize that just to have a rhythm and a pace, but not be so frantic, and also don't be too over, what's the word I would probably used? Too overzealous about getting the right facts or getting the best evidence or getting this, or getting that. Just let the communication build naturally. Because if you're blended correctly, and if you're really in true sync with the communicator, I believe you don't have to do anything because it comes to you
Jason: It comes to you.
Christine: Our minds should not be reaching out. I don't believe we need to reach with our mind. I believe if we, if we're blended correctly, we have that knowing, we have that feeling, we are in the experience. Yes, you can have communication. You might have a little bit of a conversation going on with them, but you're not, you're not rabbiting backwards and forwards all the time, right? You b- because your awareness is in activation in that moment. And so part of your own spirit is hooked into that power, and as that power's being maintained and built, that is when the beauty and the crux of the reading come to the fore.
Jason: Mm.
Christine: But if we start ad-libbing, or if we start analyzing or asking questions or our recipient does that, it can throw us. So, you know, often let it go, and people will say, "Oh, well, what about this? Do they do that?" And I say, "Just one moment. Just let me communicate with them. We'll come back to that, But for the meantime, this is what they want to express to you." So you take control. You take control, and the spirit world will just bring you that information. But you know, Jason, a lot of it comes to practice, experience, and also being, having a mature outlook to review your work and to be honest and say, You know what?
I really stuffed that up. I made a a real dog's dinner of that. Spirit, forgive me. I have to review what I did and look back at that."
Jason: Oh, been reviewing it for so days, I felt. cause even when you explain that, when you explain it, yes, it sounds simple, but it's because you have got years and years and years of experience, and it's, there's so much going on there with the ability to trust, the ability to, understand what it is that you're getting, not wanting to interfere with it. And I feel that, a whole journey in itself.
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Jason: There is… When you start a reading, you know, there is a lot to be said, for that person has come for a reason. You don't want them to start telling you loads about, you know, or even too much about exactly who… well, you don't wanna know anything about who they're wanting to hear from, because straight away that's coloring your mind. But what should you be asking? Because I f- I feel a good question is, what brings you here today? What are you perhaps hoping to get from this?
Because it gets straight to the nub of what the h- But then you're, you might say to that, "Well, hang on a minute. You're then, you know, coloring your mind to some extent."
Christine: Right. Well, well, I just explain what I do. I say, you know, I'm an intuitive, I'm a spiritual medium." And the first thing I say is, "I cannot demand or guarantee that there is a spirit communication or who it will be. I will do my very best for you, but I'm under no control of who's going to communicate today, if indeed they communicate. I may work with you on an intuitive level, so that's what I do, and that's about the material world," et cetera, et cetera." And I will say, "What are you looking for today?" And some people will say, "Oh, I wanna know about my job," blah, blah, blah, blah.
And then someone say, "Well, I've lost my mom or my gran and I, I want to hear from them." And I will say, "Well, let me begin talking to you, and let's see if they make an appearance, but I cannot control that." And I talk, and I will probably work a little bit intuitively unless I'm aware of the spirit straightaway, and then I will just talk and let it ha- let it unfold naturally. Even if it's somebody they didn't wanna hear from or they weren't expecting to hear from, because normally the other person will make an appearance.
Sometimes you might have, you know, Mrs. Smith, the next-door neighbor, that comes to your mind first before Mom comes in. You have no idea, and I think if you relinquish control of that, then you're surrendering to what the spirit want to, bring to you and for what they want you to express. I don't think we should be asking people who they wanna hear from, and I don't think we should be demanding it.
Jason: Have you ever had instances where s- a, a spirit communicator hasn't turned up for someone at all?
Christine: y- I've had instances definitely, where someone has wanted to hear from someone, I've done a reading, and they said, Oh, well, you know, my dad didn't come. I thought my dad would come." But instead, her grandmother's communicated or a brother or someone like that. And I will say to them, "Dad may very well be there, but I wasn't aware of him today to communicate. That doesn't mean he's not there with you. I'm just not aware of him." Funny thing is, often when you start talking like that, you just think you're finishing your reading and then Dad pops in.
Jason: Mm.
Christine: it can happen, and you have to, you have to remember that. You can't just say, well, they're coming 'cause they've lost their mum, that there's an expectation you're gonna hear from Mum. 99% of the spirit world will, they will meet you more than halfway, and they will oblige, but there are times when you don't get the right communicator for them, and you have to be open to that
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Jason: Do you believe that when, we send our thoughts up to someone, a loved one of ours, you know, with whatever it might be, whether it's about a reading or whatever, do you believe that those thoughts always reach, the other world? 'Cause our thoughts, you know, in just the thought alone or an intention we can summon in a communicator, which is, is mind-blowing in itself, but do you believe that they, they can hear our thoughts in the other world?
Christine: Okay. Right. This is gonna be controversial, because no, I don't. I actually, always send thoughts to the spirit world, and I talk to them in, within my mind, of course, like most mediums. but I don't believe every thought we have reaches the spirit world. I do believe where there's a, a very strong intention for a- an absolute meaningful purpose, they do, but I don't feel thoughts willy-nilly reach the spirit world, and I think it comes down to consistency. I don't think the spirit world are aware of every thought that you have.
They're not hanging off you and in- invading your mind. and I do believe that it's about the intention and the purpose of the thought, but I am aware that, you know, you can talk to your father or your mum or your dad or your grandparents and send out love, and it might be weeks later before that's, that comes back and someone says, Oh, your granddad's there, and he, he felt you sending love to him," if that happens. But I don't believe they hear everything, no. But I do believe they are very aware of the intention behind thoughts that are meant to be heard.
So you know, I'm very big on the power of prayer. I really do believe in the power of prayer and the power of thought, and so I believe when the thought is potent, it's intentional, there is something purposeful with that, that does reach the other world. And We may not hear back from it the way we feel we want to or even know of, but I don't think every thought we have goes there.
Jason: You say you really, believe in the power of prayer, and there's gonna be people listening to this who are, you know, praying for one thing or another at the moment, maybe not in a good place. How, what, what's made you believe in that? because I know that you are a very, factual person
Christine: Um, well- basically, m- the power of prayer for me is my own personal communication with the other world. It's not a prayer out of a book or a prayer that, you know, has a rhyme or anything like that. My prayer to the spirit world is my personal, discussion with them, if you will, from my heart and my own soul about certain things. And so I don't say, "You know, I ask you, God, for this. I ask you, spirit, for this." I will talk to them like real people in my head, if I'm aware of something.
my mum was very, very ill recently, and so was my sister, and, you know, I sent thoughts to them. and I just sat quietly, and I just said, you know… And I was sitting outside actually having a coffee on my balcony, just enjoying the peace and quiet, and I just sent thoughts to the spirit world, and I just said, "Please be with my sister through surgery. Please be with my mum," you know. "Please let healing come in, and I pray for the best result. Please be with them." That, to me, was intentional, it had purpose, and that, to me, was a prayer from my heart.
That's what my prayer is. Luckily, hopefully, well, great, they're both okay. But, I don't feel prayer should be sanctimonious, repetitive words
Jason: Yeah, and I feel that prayer should be for the right reasons because it's- sacred, you know?
Christine: It is. It's a sacred- ……………part of you, and it's when you're really opening up your heart. But, you know, I do believe prayers get answered, but perhaps not always in our time or the way we expect them to. But I do believe when there's a purpose, an intention, where the spirit world can help, I do believe they will. And I, you know, I, I just believe in prayer. I believe the power… Because I believe in the power of thought. Yeah, I do. I believe in, in our thoughts are more powerful than we can ever comprehend, and that continues to evolve in my mind all the time.
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Jason: I want to ask as well, because a lot of what you do isn't just reading for, I wanna say the sort of lay person, the member of the public. A lot of what you do is, what we call in this kind of, and I don't like this term, I will say this, spiritual assessment. I don't like that because it is, makes it feel to me like it's some sort of test. But a lot of what you do is help people on their journey in some way.
Now, my understanding of that type of reading is you are more linking in with guides, and I wanna ask about this because it is a very interesting area, especially to mediums listening. Can you talk about, you know, what makes an effective spiritual assessment? And I, I… Do you agree with that term, terminology? Because it makes it feel to me that it's an exam.
Christine: Well, thing is I see a lot of laymen in the street, Jason. I lot of laymen in the street, everyday folk for reading like myself. but I will say to you, an assessment is just a terminology. It's just a phrase that's given to a situation of a sitting with a recipient and a medium, where the medium will blend with the recipient to see what's going on in their development, if there's obstacles, if there's things they could be looking at, is there potentials around them? Is there some form of guidance or positive, feedback or motivation to change things?
or to move forward. for working mediums, that when it's necessary, I don't demand this, the spirit world will make an appearance if there's someone there who wants to blend with them, if there's somebody there who wants to, make themselves known for a particular reason. I did a session this week, for a particular lady, and someone made themself very known to me, and it was to do with writing, and indeed, that's what's going on with her at the moment. She's found that her mediumship's going down the line of writing rather than demonstrating.
Does that make sense? So this person came, and, it wasn't a loved one. I couldn't give them any evidence. I just described them, give her information, but I told her to wait for confirmation through another medium because, you know, the guide scenario is a big deal, and I don't believe all guides are what people think they are. I do believe people have a lot of archetypes, and I feel a lot of people have elements of their own soul which are classed as guides. but I knew in this particular scenario that there was a gentleman in the other world who was not of her family and was coming in to help her with inspiration.
Jason: That's interesting. It's even interesting what you say about guides there, because I think so many of us are absolutely obsessed with trying to understand who they are, and I was at the beginning. These… I, I've kinda got a point now where I'm, I just, I feel it's a, a consciousness and I, I don't question where it's coming from. I don't question, necessarily who it is or what it is. but I'm forever trying to develop the relationship with these different people, or entities or consciousnesses that help me.
but it was actually quite funny. I sat with my guides the other day and I said to me, "Oh, c- you know, can you, one of you come forward?" And he brought himself forward in a suit of armor. And then, there was this kind of, clairvoyant, exercise that he took me into about, me being in, in a suit of armor. And I thought, "This is very interesting, but you've portrayed yourself, and I know I've come across you before, but you are projecting what I need to see in that moment." But we get, we get obsessed with guides, and I do feel that, it actually, We, we have this obsession, don't we, in, in the human world- We just want to label everything.
Christine: We do, but also, Jason, that also could be an archetypal pattern of your soul
Jason: And what do you mean by that?
Christine: know, that could be an aspect of Jason. That could be an archetype. I'm not saying it is, but it could be, and this is where people have gotta learn about the guides, is that we do know we have aspects of our soul that are representative in a symbolic form or in imagery, and it's an aspect of us in that moment. But were they a real living soul that lived a life and are acting as what we call a, a spirit guide from the other world? I believe the context of the guides is far greater, controversial, and, leads a lot more understanding than what people think.
So I do believe there's a lot of, I'm not saying it is for you, but I'm just giving you a query of thought. There's a lot of imagery that we can pull up ourselves in those moments that could be an aspect of our own soul. And so with that, I would've said, "Okay, I am aware of you, and perhaps you will make yourself present to someone else independently so I can have evidence of you." And I w- you know, I've worked for nearly 40 years now as a medium, and I will say to you that I can probably count a couple of dozen times where I've seen my guides, and I know they're there.
I have a very strong feeling of who particular ones are, but they don't appear on demand. And you don't need them to do a reading or do a demonstration. They're not with you for that. They're in the background of that, but they will come forward to help you and support you, but you don't need to link with a guide to make a communication. You don't need to link with a guide to give inspiration. So the fact is that they might be there in the background, but who they are, what they are begs inquiry
Jason: Well, my belief and understanding is these guides are kind of always around us. Why in the space of 40 years have they only made themselves available to you and, not available to you, that's the wrong word. Why is it that you've only seen them, do you believe, in such few times? you know, it almost makes me feel like, well, why are they not making themselves more often?
Christine: be- because in all truth, I know that they are part of a collective consciousness, and I know that I'm part of a collective consciousness, and I know that they're there. I can feel them. I am aware with particular ones at certain times. But to actually clairvoyantly see them, I'd probably say a couple of dozen times, spontaneously- out of the blue, vroom. And I will tell you, the majority of times they've shown themselves to m- to me is when I have been in real need in my life, either to do with my mediumship or something personal.
But I can feel them, and often I can hear them, but I might not know exactly which one it is or who it is, ' cause I don't have an attachment to them. I work with them. They look after me. I have complete, implicit, utter trust in the other world. So it isn't- it isn't that important to me that I have to have Big Chief Sitting Bull or blah, blah, blah as a guide, right? It isn't important. The important thing is whoever is working with me helps me get the job done, helps me understand myself, because I feel supported and loved and cared for when I'm in that power with them.
Who they are as a person is irrelevant to me.
Jason: Mm.
Christine: But they know… I, I will just finish with that, sorry. They know that I love them, but I also believe they are part of a collective consciousness.
Jason: Hmm. That's gonna be reassuring to a lot of people because, I, I think so many people just get bogged down by this, and- ……l- like you say, they are part of the collective oneness of all that is. So when a guide comes through and shows themselves in a particular way, or they're projecting a, a particular, aspect of perhaps a part li- a past life, I often wonder to myself even when a, a spirit communicator comes through and they're projecting all these qualities of, what they were like here on Earth, when they were on, the physical world, that is what I feel that we feel that we need to see to be able to see, to kind of relate to them, for the world that we're in.
Because I always wondered to myself, "Well, why, why would a spir- you know, why would my dad, you know, keep coming through a- as, you know, very grumpy and whatever?" Because I know he's not that, because he ma- has made many declarations of, love and understanding since he's gone to the other world. But they… Otherwise, we wouldn't recognize them, would we?
Christine: That's right, and I do believe that a lot of our family members work with us, help us, support us, and, and people don't want to hear that their family members are guides and looking after them, because everybody has this, especially in spiritualism, they've got this attachment to guides, right? And yes, we know wh- when people are working in the trance state, trance healing state, inspirational speaking, that we know there's particular influences that influence the medium's mind is there. I know if I'm doing, y- as you know, I, I do a lot of, you know, speaking for different organizations, and I know when I'm inspired to speak that those thoughts are not from me.
But who the person is, I have no clue. I can feel them. I can sense the movement of mind, and I feel myself in that moment speaking. I'm not even thinking about it or cognizing. But I don't afterwards say, "Oh, well, who was that?" No, I just say thank you to whoever chose to be with me in that moment to help me get what I needed to get done. And I think, I have to be honest, I do believe we've all got a team of people that work with us.
I do believe that if you wanna call them guides, that we have them. But I do believe there is far too much attachment to them, and I feel there's not enough understanding about archetypes of our own soul- around our mediumship
Jason: Do you know what? There's gonna be lots of people listening to this, perhaps at a very early stage of their development, hearing that you are standing on a podium with no notes and something is coming to you through an entity of which you, you know, are not latched onto, and you are just speaking that. Now, that is a level of trust, but it also, makes a much broader point that the spirit world, always want to come through with love and help and guidance. because of the fact that you're… By the fact that you aren't even attaching to the fact of who it is, it means that you know and trust that they will only ever come through with what is good and pure, which argues against the point of there being negative entities, which I keep being emailed about at the moment.
What… Do you believe in negative entities, Because I don't believe in it.
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Christine: I think if you're gonna be an effective reader, as we started with this talk, I think you need to get rid of that terminology, anybody out there who's gonna use it. The spirit world is a, a loving world. It's a consciousness of intelligence. You know, it's that source of power that runs through everything. There is absolutely no- nothing negative that can hurt you, only your own mind, and your perception and your understanding about what you think negative and positive is. Look, there's no rain without sun, there's no night without day.
There has to be a place, we know and I believe, in the spirit world where negative minds go, but I do believe that healing is open to them, progression is open to them, and I believe the people to help those people are already in the spirit. So I believe the negative aspects that people get here are created by their own mind and their own thoughts. You might have… You might not understand much, and you might have the feeling of the spirit world, and you might have a loving soul with you.
It could be, I don't know, your great-grandmother or your grandmother, or your mother, and you could make them into the prince of darkness or the wicked witch. You know? You could, just simply by your own misunderstanding, because you're not used to the feeling. But the spirit world that I work with is a feeling and a world of love, and it's a world of trust. And I would say to anybody, you know, don't guide worship. Get to know your team, send out thoughts to them. If you're lucky and they come to you at the right time and the right place, they will, but when things are happening very regular, I'm gonna log in with my guide today.
I'm gonna ask my guide this today," that's all in your own head. That's mumbo jumbo. That's, that's the negative mumbo jumbo that can cause problems with people's minds. Because the spirit world will not take responsibility. We have to take choices for ourselves and live our life here. And their role is to help us live a more richer, fulfilling life, but they're not gonna tell us how to do it. You know, they don't- … ………guide you into every aspect of making choices and decisions in your life, but they will certainly guide you and support you when the choices are needed, and meaningful and have purpose for particular situations, if it's necessary, but not everything.
And this is just Christine Morgan's opinion.
Jason: No, it's, and, and it's very, very, I think, an important point because, you know, even earlier in my journey, I would sit and say, "Right, I need to sit with my guides for, one reason or another, or inspiration." And then I used to sort of come out the other side of that going, "I still don't feel none the wiser on what I need to do." But then there is moments now, when I know I'm being inspired, I know I'm being pressed to do a thing. But there is a big distinction between the two, and, you know, there's some people that I think they've got their head so, you know… And, and this has probably got in my head a lot in the early days, where they would say, "Oh, my guides have told me this, me guides have told me that.
Oh, my guide J- Jeremiah over here, he's always…" And I'd sort of think, "Oh, God, you know, you're getting in your own head about it." And I'd think, "Why, why have I not got any guides coming? Where are mine?" And someone said to me, this is so funny, my business was going through a really bad patch, and they said, "Oh, have you asked your business guide to come in?" I said, "Well, I didn't even realize that happened." They said, "Oh, well, that's the problem then, you know, you haven't called ………………on them recently."
Christine: Good God. Well, you know, what I I also, need to say this here, is that far too many people don't acknowledge the wisdom that can come from their own soul
Jason: Ah, that's an im- that's… Yeah, that's a very, very very good point, because our soul ultimately knows w- what our life mission is and what we should be doing. and actually, I read a little book the other day which is all about, ascended masters and different rays, and what drew me to that book was the, violet ray. And it, then it got you to work out using your date of birth what, energy you chose to come down, your soul chose to incarnate on, in this little book.
And I chose to apparently, come down on the ray of challenge, which was absolutely no surprise to me whatsoever. but it was all about mediumship, and when I read it, I thought, "Oh, my God, I wish I'd known this sooner." I almost felt that they should give it with your birth certificate, you know, your astrology. Here's your manual for, your life, so
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Christine: Well, let, let's say you see, you can have all these potentials in your charts, you can have all these potentials around you, but, but, you know, realistically, it's about healthy choices and what choices you make. You might get a lot of things put in your way by the spirit world that leads you onto the pathway, but ultimately, it's your choice whether or not you follow that pathway. You know, the old saying, like, many are called, few are chosen. That's not because the spirit world choose the elite to be a medium.
That is because the true journey of a medium takes work. It takes work, and that's what that saying means. It isn't about elitism. It isn't about, oh, we'll cherry-pick who we're gonna have as a medium. We're gonna do that. There'll be a trance, there'll be healing, da, da. It's not about that. It's about those chosen, if you want to use that word, are really, it's a matter of their own choice, through their own dedication, and their own surrendering to understanding themselves in the development process, and their interconnectedness with God, the divine, the spirit world, and humanity here.
it's That's that chosen bit is. You know? So the spirit world don't cherry-pick, and people say this all the time. And look, I have to say, when you speak, when I speak to colleagues and f- people I work with and friends in this field, we all agree. We all hear the same thing. It's been said for years. and years and years. It's the same stories going around. But the truth is, true spiritual understanding takes reflection. It takes a lot to understand self-healing and shadow work. It takes a lot to understand the process of the development, the length of development, and you're never really there.
You're always learning. And so nothing is as you actually think it is. Even now, after all these years, I look back and I go, "God, I believed that then. what on earth was I talking about?" It must have made sense to me at that time, but at the moment it doesn't make any sense to me. And now I feel I've come to a place in my own work, and I'm very busy, and I love what I do, but I don't even attach fear or doubt or anything with it.
I just trust that what will happen will happen in the right time with the right place with the right people. Because the other world knows better than I do. I've just got to be the willing, the willing soldier, the willing surrendering soldier. That's what I have to be. And God knows we need more in God's army
Jason: Oh my goodness, we do. We need to be recruiting by the bucketload, for where the world is right now. It's a scary place out there. It's like the Wild West. you know, and I, I have to d- disassociate myself from… I'm a very curious soul. I want to know what's going on in the world, but my goodness, it's depressing. and, you know, power, wars, it's just too much, to, sometimes a sensitive person, even as a non-sensitive person, to sort of swallow. I think people are in a very low vibe at the moment, and understandably so.
Everyone seems to be, you know, I don't know about you over there on the other side of the world, but we seem to be in this very, feels like a very dense vibration at the moment. and, you know, that's why I've, I feel very passionate about doing this. Christine Morgan, I absolutely love you coming onto this podcast because I always love a good gossip. well, I say gossip with you. We haven't really done much of that today. But do me the honor then of closing, this episode today
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Christine: Okay. Well, you know, we've talked about being effective reader, but I really wanna say, you know, be effective for yourself as well. You will only be an effective reader, medium, healer in action when you're effective for yourself, and when you help yourself to be able to help others. If you come from a place of grace, of kindness, and of honesty, and also being big enough and brave enough to go, You know what? I made a mistake there," or, " "You know what? I need to research or do a bit more work on that," or, "I need to think about that a bit more," you never g- you never really arrive, but you come to a place of understanding more about yourself and your own relationship with the spirit world, and your own relationship with humanity.
And hopefully, that helps you become a better channel for the other world.
