What Is Remote Viewing? The Experiment That Made Me Question the Limits of Consciousness
There are experiences in mediumship that are impressive in the moment.
And then there are experiences that stay with you.
They return to you when you are walking the dog, making a coffee, sitting quietly, or thinking about the nature of the work itself. Not necessarily because they gave you an answer, but because they left you with a much bigger question.
A remote viewing exercise I recently did with medium Kerstin Caldwell was one of those experiences for me.
It was so vivid — and contained such specific information that I had no conscious way of knowing — that it has made me think much more deeply about consciousness itself.
Where is consciousness?
Is it entirely generated by the physical brain?
Is awareness restricted to the boundaries of the physical body?
And if it isn't, what are we actually accessing when we work psychically, mediumistically or intuitively?
I don't pretend that one experience can scientifically answer those questions. But I do know that, for me personally, this experience made it increasingly difficult to think of consciousness as something neatly contained within the physical body.
And perhaps even more importantly, it reminded me of something I think we sometimes forget in spiritual and mediumistic development:
We need to experiment.
Listen to the Soul Sync conversation with Kerstin Caldwell
What If Your Sensitivity Was Always Trying to Guide You? Growing Up in a Funeral Home, Mediumship & Becoming Fully Yourself with Kerstin Caldwell
In this episode of Soul Sync, Kerstin and I talk about the extraordinary remote viewing exercise that first connected us, her remarkable experience of growing up in a funeral home, childhood sensitivity, mediumship, the nervous system, grief, healing, improvisation, play and learning to become fully ourselves.
What actually happened in the remote viewing experiment?
The exercise itself was remarkably simple.
Kerstin was asked to bring into her awareness a place that meant something to her. I wasn't told where it was, what it looked like or why she had chosen it.
My job wasn't to guess.
That distinction has become increasingly important to me.
I was simply asked to become aware, notice what arose and describe it.
I began perceiving a substantial brick building. There was an unusual atmosphere to it. I became aware of different spaces, impressions, emotions and activity within the building.
And then something seemingly random entered my consciousness:
The film My Girl.
If you remember the film, its central family lives above a funeral home.
Eventually I asked Kerstin the obvious question:
Had she grown up in a funeral home?
She had.
Her father was a mortician and funeral director.
What followed went considerably further than identifying the type of building. During the exercise I became aware of elements of the layout, where particular activity happened within the property, emotional memories associated with it and Kerstin's relationship with the environment as a child.
In our Soul Sync conversation, Kerstin explains that it was not simply the physical description that affected her. It was the emotional experience of that house that I appeared to be touching.
And that is the part that fascinated me most.
So, what actually is remote viewing?
At its simplest, remote viewing describes an attempt to perceive information about a location, person, object or target that is not available through the ordinary senses.
A viewer may be physically separated from the target and, under controlled conditions, may know very little — sometimes nothing — about what the target is.
The idea is not simply to visualise somewhere.
It is to record impressions before receiving feedback.
Those impressions might include shape, texture, temperature, movement, colour, sound, emotional tone or more complex imagery.
The Monroe Institute, which still teaches remote viewing today, describes participants working not only with visual impressions but with perceived taste, smell, sound and feeling as well.
And although remote viewing can sound like a very modern spiritual idea, its modern experimental history stretches back decades.
The surprisingly serious history of remote viewing
This is where the subject becomes particularly interesting.
During the 1970s, physicists Russell Targ and Harold Puthoff conducted experiments at Stanford Research Institute — SRI — exploring what they described as information acquisition without the use of the known senses.
Their work was controversial, but it was not confined to obscure spiritual publications. In 1974, Nature published a paper by Targ and Puthoff reporting experiments they believed suggested information could sometimes be obtained under sensory shielding.
And then government became interested.
Declassified CIA records show that US intelligence and defence agencies investigated remote viewing for years under programmes that became associated with names including GRILL FLAME and STARGATE. Some sessions were not hypothetical laboratory games: records show viewers were tasked against intelligence questions, including work connected with the US hostage crisis in Iran.
One government summary states that between 1986 and early 1995, the programme received more than 200 operational tasks from military organisations seeking information unavailable through conventional sources.
That fact alone doesn't prove remote viewing works.
But it does correct the idea that the subject has only ever existed on the fringes of spirituality.
Governments took it seriously enough to investigate.
Did the CIA prove remote viewing was real?
This is where I think we need to remain curious without rewriting history.
The research was contested.
Early positive findings attracted criticism around experimental design, judging and possible sensory cues. Researchers David Marks and Richard Kammann attempted duplicate experiments and reported in Nature that their results did not verify the earlier conclusions. Further criticism of possible sensory cueing followed.
By the 1990s, the US government commissioned an independent evaluation of the programme.
The CIA's own retrospective account is fascinatingly nuanced. It says the review found enough apparently accurate remote-viewing results that they could not simply be dismissed as randomness, while also concluding that the information was too inconsistent, unreliable and sporadic to be useful as an intelligence tool. The programme was not restarted.
That distinction matters.
There is a huge difference between saying:
“Something interesting may be happening here.”
and:
“We completely understand what is happening and can reliably use it on demand.”
We don't.
Remote viewing remains scientifically controversial, and there is no mainstream scientific consensus establishing it as a reliable mechanism of perception beyond the senses.
Personally, I'm comfortable with that uncertainty.
In fact, I think the uncertainty is where exploration becomes interesting.
The Monroe Institute and the exploration of consciousness
Anyone who starts looking seriously into expanded consciousness will eventually encounter The Monroe Institute.
Founded by Robert A. Monroe in 1971, the Institute grew out of earlier work investigating the effects of sound and states of awareness. Monroe himself began reporting spontaneous out-of-body experiences in the late 1950s, which dramatically changed the direction of his research.
Today the organisation continues to run programmes exploring meditation, expanded states of consciousness, out-of-body experiences and remote viewing.
Its Gateway work uses audio techniques and structured exercises designed to facilitate deeply relaxed and altered states of awareness. The Institute describes states including Focus 10 — “mind awake, body asleep” — and Focus 12, which it characterises as expanded awareness.
It also currently runs dedicated remote-viewing training.
I find the philosophy behind this particularly interesting because it places emphasis on direct experience.
Not simply believing something because someone tells you it is true.
Trying.
Observing.
Recording.
Receiving feedback.
Trying again.
That speaks enormously to where I am in my own development at the moment.
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What the experience taught me about mediumship
Strangely, the biggest lesson from my experience with Kerstin wasn't actually about remote viewing.
It was about trying less.
I wasn't sitting there thinking:
I must prove consciousness can travel.
I wasn't desperate to be correct.
I wasn't trying to perform as a medium.
There was no great pressure attached to the outcome.
It was an experiment.
And because it was an experiment, I was curious.
That changed everything.
Kerstin was curious too. She wasn't sitting opposite me waiting for me to impress her. There was an openness between us that allowed the exercise to unfold.
That is becoming one of the biggest lessons in my own mediumistic development.
When we become obsessed with being right, we contract.
We analyse.
We begin searching for information rather than receiving it.
We decide something sounds ridiculous and discard it before discovering that the apparently ridiculous piece of information was precisely the thing that mattered.
Imagine if I'd dismissed My Girl.
What possible relevance could an old film suddenly appearing in my consciousness have had?
Quite a lot, as it turned out.
Perhaps the imagination isn't always “just imagination”
This has made me reconsider something else.
People developing psychically often say:
“But how do I know I'm not imagining it?”
My response increasingly is:
What if we stopped being quite so frightened of imagination?
That does not mean every image, thought or sensation entering our minds has paranormal significance. Clearly it doesn't.
But perhaps our inner symbolic language is one of the ways information reaches conscious awareness.
When My Girl entered my mind, I wasn't shown a neon sign saying:
KERSTiN GREW UP IN A FUNERAL HOME.
I was given something already contained within my own memory bank that could communicate the idea.
That is very similar to what I experience in mediumship.
The information comes through me.
My memories.
My emotions.
My vocabulary.
My references.
My consciousness.
The skill is learning to notice what feels different — what has arrived rather than what has been deliberately constructed.
That takes practice.
And it takes permission to get things wrong.
Is consciousness restricted to the physical body?
This is the question I keep coming back to.
I want to phrase this carefully because I am sharing my own developing understanding rather than presenting a settled scientific fact.
But through mediumship, psychic work and experiences such as this one, I have personally become increasingly persuaded that consciousness may not be entirely restricted to the physical body.
I am exploring that.
I want to test it.
I want experiences that challenge what I think I know.
And I'm equally interested when an experiment doesn't work.
In fact, the declassified remote-viewing records themselves contain both seemingly striking sessions and sessions where the viewer showed little or no correlation with the target.
To me, that's far more interesting than pretending every attempt is extraordinary.
Development isn't about collecting proof that we're wonderful psychics.
It's about discovering how consciousness behaves.
Experiment without needing an extraordinary result
If I could take one thing from this experience and give it to somebody developing their psychic or mediumistic awareness, it would be this:
Play.
Experiment.
Get together with someone you trust.
Work blind where possible.
Write down what you perceive before you receive feedback.
Notice shapes, sensations, emotions, textures, colours, movement and whatever else appears.
Don't stretch vague information to make it fit afterwards.
Be interested in the misses as well as the hits.
And above all, don't turn every experiment into a test of whether you are “good enough”.
The moment your worth becomes attached to the result, you've changed the experiment.
One of the things Kerstin speaks about so beautifully in our conversation is play — allowing the moment to take us somewhere rather than constantly trying to drive it.
Perhaps that's as relevant to consciousness as it is to life.
The more I develop, the more questions I have
There was a time when I thought development would give me more answers.
Increasingly, it seems to be giving me better questions.
What is consciousness?
What is intuition?
Where does psychic information come from?
How does the spirit world communicate through our existing memories and associations?
What happens when we stop forcing an outcome?
And how much of what we're capable of do we fail to discover simply because we've already decided what is and isn't possible?
I don't have neat answers to all of those.
I don't particularly want neat answers.
I want to keep exploring.
Because that remote viewing experience with Kerstin reminded me of something fundamental:
curiosity can take us places certainty never will.
And perhaps the moment we stop trying to prove what consciousness is, we finally create enough space to experience what it might be capable of.
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Read the full conversation
Prefer to read rather than listen? Open the section below for the full transcript of my Soul Sync conversation with Kerstin Caldwell, including our discussion of remote viewing, growing up around a funeral home, sensitivity, mediumship, consciousness and becoming fully yourself.
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What If Your Sensitivity Was Always Trying to Guide You?
Growing Up in a Funeral Home, Mediumship & Becoming Fully Yourself with Kirsten Caldwell
Soul Sync with Jason Paul
FULL TRANSCRIPT
Edited lightly for readability from the episode transcript. Spoken wording has been preserved as closely as possible.
Well. Hello there. Thanks very much for stopping by. I hope you've had a lovely weekend.
It was my birthday yesterday. I've turned thirty nine years old. I am a Virgo. I would say I'm a Virgo.
I think I'm still getting to learn what that means. Which brings me on to this astrology episode I keep telling you about, which I will be releasing very soon, because I found out a lot more about myself recently, which has got me even more curious about what my soul is doing here, what it's signed up for. Because it's safe to say that some things are written in stars now. Like I said to you in this mini little episode that I just released, I have decided to go, yes, I'm doing mediumship.
I'm serving the spirit world. This is what I'm doing. Bring it on. I tell you, I had that experience of doing some readings recently that have touched my heart in so many ways, and I'm feeling so thankful for.
And I feel on such a high. Then I go and do four hours of mediumship practice this afternoon and the first reading, I must admit. Well, I've been out walking. Let me tell you this all morning.
Highland cows and my mum booked it as a little birthday surprise. And they're so cute. Highland cows. They've got these massive horns where you have to be absolutely careful.
You can't go in with like a ball or anything like that. So we went in with some of the baby ones, which are only one, two, three, four months old, and even then they were absolutely massive. So we were feeding them carrots. So yes.
And then I went in and done the readings. Um, when I was absolutely exhausted after walking those cows. I've managed to waste the entire intro track though, telling you about that when I should have been telling you about the remote viewing experience and the crazy story of our next guest. So as I was saying in this episode, I'm going to be talking about remote viewing because I know our next guest from a remote viewing experiment that I did with her, where basically I projected my consciousness over to a house that she had projected her consciousness to.
It was a house that she grew up in. In that house was a funeral parlor, believe it or not. But her dad owned. And what I managed to do was by the spirit world dropping into my consciousness, the film My Girl.
And that's how the spirit world talked to us. They talked to us through our memories. But even that to one side, consciousness, believe it or not, is not limited to your body. You can project your consciousness to different places.
And that's some of the experimentation that I've been doing recently. So in Joy. Kirsten, welcome, welcome, welcome onto the Soul Sync. Thank you so much for having me.
I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to have you here. I'm very excited. So I have got to know you as being a very inspiring, lovely, incredible medium.
But for people that don't know you, um, tell us about your story because it's one that certainly made my ears prick up when you started. Well, it was an interesting story, wasn't it? Because how I got to know very much about your background was through a exercise that we did in a mediumship class via a mutual tutor. We have, and I will just tell people what it is before we get going, if you're happy to do it, because it's interesting and it's actually the most vivid clairvoyant experience that I've ever had.
So the exercise that we were given was to do remote viewing, which was essentially each of us to think of a space, a home, a building that meant a great deal to us. And then to put that into our consciousness. And then the medium, who was me, um, doing this with Kirsten? Uh, I dialed in and the first thing that I got was this.
I got the outside of the house that came through and it was, it was a house. I will say straight away that reminded me of the movie, um, My Girl back in the day. And that was such a sweet movie with Thomas J. And the funeral home and whatever.
But to cut a long story short, what I essentially got was you grew up in a funeral home, and then we went into such detail as to the fixtures, the fittings, what happened, the memories, the emotions. And it was such a strong experience. But I think it moved us both as much as each other by how much detail there was. Absolutely, I.
Well, I kind of want to just dial it back a little bit before you got to the part of the funeral home because, uh, you were speaking of the structure so beautifully in terms of being a big a big brick building. It was a Victorian home. And to, to get that, I was just impressed with that. But as we walked in, you said, um, oh, there are things that are happening in this home.
Things move around or things um, feel a bit unsettling. Someone has died in this home and you know that you're aware of that. And I just sat and I smiled. And it wasn't until a few more bits of evidence later that you stated My Girl just popped into my mind for some reason.
Why am I seeing My Girl? And I leaned really close into the camera and and and you said it was like I. I caught the moment that you realized. Huh?
Did you live in a funeral home? And I said, yes, I, I handed over this as a possibility with full curiosity of what you would discover. And from the moment that you made the connection that it was a funeral home, you were off to the races. I have to say that I've had so many readings in so many courses in my real life, right?
And I don't cry when I receive readings. But when you tapped into the energy of this home, what I felt as a child, what this home meant to me and did for me in a spiritual sense. I cried. I was weeping at the evidence you gave me.
Yeah. Do you know what it's. It's true. Because I've had a lot of readings, and you do when you're developing.
And I've only ever, I think, cried at one or two. And it's because you feel the power. It moves you emotionally, doesn't it? And it and you don't get that often because a lot of mediums interfere unintentionally with the connection by the stop start nature going in the power in their mind, whatever it might be.
But and for something to move you. There was a reading recently that moved me, which was my, uh, dad's coming through and my dad, um, he passed away in October. He wasn't always, I wasn't always. He was a grumpy old fellow at times.
And, um, she, the medium brought through lots of things which were, you know, to, to a medium could be very, very negative and things that you wouldn't want to say about one someone's dad. You know, I think she even came back saying towards the end he had a bit of a hygiene issue, which, you know, he did for a number of reasons, but, you know, to say that, um, and, and in it was very strong evidence because it was so, um, stand out and I knew it was coming from him, but the experience blew my mind with that because it was, it was even the fact it was the brick building stood out to me because that, that didn't, that doesn't feel normal to, um, USA and that type of, um, because normally the, the buildings aren't like that.
And it was very, very, very vivid. It was like the most, um, vivid experience I've ever had. And I actually want to do it again with someone soon because, um, I want to see what comes back as a result of it. It really blew my mind in terms of what really is possible.
But we went into that and there's a lot to be said for how we went into that exercise because we went in with no expectation. We went in very much as an experiment. My mindset before I went into it was, let's have a bit of fun, but you brought that energy to it. You know, it was a reflection of your energy and excitement for it.
So you, you know, and that's how mediumship works. You're fuelling that. And then your acceptance and openness and, you know, made me feel very much in that power. And but you see what we need to do to get there.
We need to not try. I was enjoying myself. I was having fun, Kirsten, you see. Oh, and I was having so much fun watching the unfold unfolding of all of it being fully present in the experience.
And like I said, going at it with curiosity there, I could have come in it and said, okay, I would love for you to try and do my funeral or see even now how you're sitting. Yes, yes. You know, you sitting with cross. See, there's something about that.
I am a psychic first and foremost. And I'm a very good psychic. But you sitting there with that crossed arm energy. And I had it the other day in a reading.
I had a lady who came in who was very much of the belief that I'm, you know, you're here, you're the medium. And it could I can read through it. Yes. But I, I, I do feel that she's not fueling the energy, fueling the connection and, and, and being tight lipped about yeses.
The, the spirit world need that because they, they, they then understand that they're being heard, validated and whatever it is. But you've honestly opened up my imagination to what is really possible when we believe we can. And it's, it's an I've, you know, like yourself, I do a lot of readings, but that is one that keeps coming back to me again and again every day because of just how accurate it was. I think we even went into a level of detail as to where the bodies were taken prepared, and down to the level of detail of who was doing the hair and stuff like that.
And you're a naughty curiosity. We've always wanting to go in that room, but you you knew you wasn't a necessarily allowed in. Actually, that's one thing that you didn't quite get. But, but I, I can understand.
It was very normal for us to sit on the stairs and talk to our father while he was working. It was you wasn't allowed in the, you know, in the actual area. I felt, well, I didn't want to be in the actual area. It was because he was there and I wanted a connection with my father that I would go in that area.
That's really what it was. It was it was I was a child who it was in my thirties. And I started realizing, oh, my sister and I fought so badly growing up because there was a sibling who got more attention than we did. And that sibling was death.
Death and grief were far more prevalent in our home because that was my father's identity. He was a wonderful mortician. He was a wonderful funeral director, and he could give care to those people. But I believe that he was probably also very sensitive, and he knew how to care for them and weave in and out of their grief and help them through those big times.
And by the time he walked up the stairs to greet his family, he was flattened and didn't quite have the same amount of energy to be able to be fully present and open to us. I can understand that because even when I, um, did my stint in the police being a police officer, you know, your energy is drained. So much of emotional energy at the end of the day, by giving, you know, a lot of yourself to people, I think that's where a lot of people who work in those type of environments often struggle. Um, you know, either mentally or from exhaustion or whatever, because it, it drains you.
You know, it's, and it's, what was it like for you kind of growing up in that environment? Because it feels to me like that has been so monumentous in everything and everything you're doing now in, in your life as a medium. Yeah, yeah. There was there was a part of me that had a deep rage.
Why do we have to live in a funeral home? And I would, I would, you know, angrily ask my dad, why do you do this? And he would say, because I, I want to help people. And in my mind, all I was seeing was the dead body he was putting together or, you know, putting into a casket.
I wasn't seeing the families he was serving. That made no sense until in my early twenties, when he had served a family, um, of someone I grew up with. And, you know, he had to be the one to tell them that his injuries were so severe that he might not be viewable. And these things that were very hard, that he knew how to do with such care and such compassion.
And yet that little me was angry about having to be quiet upstairs because a family was downstairs about not being able to run around and, and be as free with my voice and my crazy body and all of those impulses that a child has to sing incessantly, run around to just it's a very unusual environment to live in, which is why when I got the mic, it's that that that's always been one of my favorite all time films because it is such a beautiful story. But as a young child, to be around because, you know, most parents are trying to shield their children from that. That kind of realities of life and death. But to be having such awareness of it and for it to be so central and for it to shape everything about your childhood.
It is it is very interesting. Well, it's it's something that has taken many, many, many years of therapy and, and, and, and, um, and patience with that small version of myself who was buried underneath. I know I was sensing things, I know I was picking up on things, I was shamed incessantly for being afraid of riding in the back of the car with the body strapped on a gurney that we went and picked up, because that was our way. Our family got out of the house.
It was always surrounding something in the business. And so even that in itself is a is a very unusual thing. A lot of people would like to hope they get through their life never having seen a Hey, it's a dead body. Well, and and our father had a very, um, uh, kind of a black and white way of looking at it.
It was. This is death. You have nothing to be afraid of. But that's in just the mortal realm here in the human realm.
Right? And he was cutting me off from my what I was experiencing that couldn't be seen or heard or explained. And I had no context or ability to really fully explain to him. It was just knock it off, you know?
It's the live the live ones you need to be worried about, not the dead ones. And yes, while that logically makes a lot of sense, I still don't think a small child needs to be sitting in the morgue. So his belief system. Well, no, I I I I I, I totally agree with that.
I can understand why that's led to, uh, you know, issues that probably arise because it, you know, I can't even imagine what it's like to be in that environment of people crying every day morning. It's, you know, it's a very emotional place at a funeral home at the best of times. But you it sounds to me like your dad's had an awareness of there being more to this world than just physical death. Yeah.
He was raised in a really, um, I'd say a fundamentalist Christian kind of way. And so he brought that perspective of we're all going to be fine. But he never talked about anything beyond that. There were bits and pieces of him speaking at times about meditation and finding relief from a certain type of meditation, but not going into anything that didn't look like what he knew from the church.
I mean, I remember when I had my first set of tarot cards, there was this, oh, are you some pagan? And I was. What does that even mean? What are you doing, sir?
What is this? You know. Yeah. So a very, um, my dad was like that as well.
He was very much like, you know what you're messing around with that for, you know, look at, uh, with my tarot cards as well. Yeah, yeah. So there wasn't this protective space of there's only one way to look at spirituality and it's my way. And so whatever you're doing is crap.
Let me pull you back over here. And I have to say, he died two years ago, and it's the freest I've felt in my entire life. Um, and I've had readings similar to what you spoke of about your own father, where this grumpy man comes through. And I know it's.
I know it's him. And yet here I am, receiving the information with the same big smile on my face going, yes! Uh huh huh. And and looking within the, you know, usually it's with mediums on Zoom.
So being in this Zoom room with these lovely people who I'm sure are going, oh, you poor girl, that was the father you had. And I'm, I just this is the evidence. It's okay. I, I have healed so much of what happened to me from childhood and from that environment and lack of true individual care.
Um, it's interesting, isn't it? Even your, the fact that your dad was, you know, kind of talking about things like meditation seemed to have an understanding of this, yet was kind of shutting down your sensitivity. And it kind of feels to me that, yes, it's one thing to have that belief, but it's another thing to want to open up emotionally to talk about those sort of, you know, big life life questions. So I guess he came from the generation.
Yeah. Well, he came from the generation of children are to be seen and not heard. And he, I think there as he was in the process of dying. I had a very strong grouping of revelations for the two years before he died, where one was I.
The way that I knew I was a medium is I would feel individuals actual the cusp of their death. I would know physically in my own body through senses, um, the emotions they felt leading to the death, the actual release, the death itself, and then the emotion they felt upon recognizing they had passed. And we thought a couple years before he died, that this was it, this was it. This is because here I'm having all of these things.
And I got a really big, big message that came through that you will be helping him transition and you will recognize there'll be a healing when he does transition where the two of you, your your relationship will be recognized by you in your earth, your earthly body here, that this was a soul contract. This was part of what was supposed to happen for the two of you, so that you could get to the next level, and he could help you as a guide on the next part of your journey to be able to. Uh, to alchemize the pain, to alchemize all of this into a story of great healing and great, um, possibility for other people who feel low and don't have the ability to, in their own trauma, connect to their love and their light.
It feels to me that you have, since your dad has, um, transitioned to the other world, it, it very much sounds like, and I have myself in some senses, kind of rebuilt your relationship and healed together by the communication that you've been having, um, with him since his passing, and because my dad has come through and on a few occasions now, and he actually came through very, very quickly after he initially passed because I think he passed. And two weeks later I was at the Arthur Findlay College doing a course, which I wasn't sure if I wanted to go on it or not go on it, but I thought, no, I feel cool to go on this course.
And he came through basically saying, look, I didn't really understand who you was as a person. You know what you do as a medium. You know, I've kind of, uh, because I knew he was going to pass away. And the days leading up to his death, um, he was in intensive care and I just knew I could feel, um, there was so many spirit people.
I couldn't have told you who they were, but I felt all around his bed and my mum kept saying to me, what's. Are you okay? Because every time I went in the room, I just burst out crying. And it wasn't it wasn't, uh, because he was, of course, I was very upset, but it was because I thought, oh my goodness, I know in my heart of hearts he's going to pass over from this.
And that was what kept making me, um, cry every time in the room. But it was so overwhelming because I could feel the love around him. And then even since he's passed away, our relationship. I was all, um, forgiven.
Now, you know, I don't hold on to these things now, but I said to him on a reading, look, just stop apologizing now. All is forgiven and forgotten because we did have a fiery relationship. You know, he'd shout at me at times. I'd shout back, I'd say, you're being totally unreasonable because my dad would just not listen, you see?
Kirsten. Yeah. At the best of times. And he wouldn't help himself like I could.
He would be, like, the most stubborn horse at times that you would take to water a horse that is almost like dying of dehydration. Every fiber in its body is like drink, drink, drink. And still, my dad would not drink. You know, it was very frustrating.
You're describing my father, so I get it. I get it on such a deep level and I, I, I was ready to be done with the game that we were playing. I was ready to be done with the the gruff talking to me, the, you know, can we rest in love? And I would try to show up as love and then get triggered and leave for a couple days and come back because I used to have to do.
Yeah. And I think that's okay because that was a boundary I had never set before. I would just allow that, um, fuel and that anger to come up. And what I, what I recognized during the transition was that, and actually it was after, just shortly after he died, that he was always pretty upset that I didn't agree to take on the baggage that he took on from his parents and that they took from their parents about how you are supposed to be.
And this is a good life. And there's only one way to do it. He's very was very black and white in his thinking. And, and for me, I've always had this inner child that is curious and wants to touch everything and smell everything.
And oh, what is that? I want to taste it or I'm, I'm here to have the full spiritual experience of what it's like to be in this flesh body, this little meat suit of mine here. And I can, when I get into the power, just sitting here talking with you, I remember that. But when I'm in my day to day, I'm working on how am I in the power?
A little bit more of my day. How am I fully in my self experiencing the world, even the clutter in my house? We just had a flood. There's this just, you know, destruction beyond these walls right now.
How am I still finding joy knowing, oh, it's going to feel amazing when it's done. It's going to be so much better. We're going to have such a better basement than we had before. You know how yeah, there's a lot to be said for that.
I, I honestly do believe that gratitude is, is, um, you know, the number one thing we need to focus on in our life because it, it ups our vibration. It gets us feeling better. It gets us appreciating what we've got. And even I found it, you know, you can always find a silver lining in everything, can't you?
Even recently, you know, I've been going through all my possessions, clearing out, having an energetic reset. And I just keep thinking to myself, oh, you know, I'm so grateful for every last thing that I've acquired, every last thing that I've got. You know, I'm finding the hidden treasures in my house that I didn't. I thought, oh, this is such a nice little crystal, you know, things like that.
But I am even doing that myself. But you were right in those times with your dad, though, to protect your energy. That's what you was doing in those times. And I had to do that with my dad quite often because, um, you know, I can only take so much being shouted at at times.
But, you know, I understand that's essentially I don't know what he went through in his childhood, but I know that, you know, that really contributed towards things. I know that he himself was of that generation, but it does shape you. And I can imagine even as you say, yes, I put that boundary in place. I can imagine that because of how he was when he was younger, you probably went into your young, um, adult years, probably with no boundaries, uh, letting people treat you like all sorts because it, that's, that's, that's why you've learned to now put them in place, isn't it?
Yes. Oh my goodness. Yes. I mean, if I were to write a book about my life right now, it would be called Late Bloomer.
I mean, literally some of the best flowers do bloom, Kirsten. And don't worry about that. I'm not concerned. Well, and that's funny because, um, you know, growing up in the funeral home, I, I felt invisible a lot.
I think that there was maybe a part of my subconscious brain that wondered if I was also dead and couldn't be seen by other people, because here I had to be quiet, right? And yet, the things that lit me up were things like, uh, the Muppets. I loved the Muppets, and I was so excited when a Muppet special would show up on television. And then I would go and sit and watch my dad work on someone.
And I there was this thought that started brewing in my mind of with the Muppets, there's this piece of fabric that is so animated, so alive, and can show so many different emotions. And then I go down and I see this body and I'm curious, and I'm asking my dad questions about, you know, I think since he knows death, he should be able to explain to me what was in this body that made it move like a Muppet, like, like Kermit does what made it alive and and where did it go? Is it here? Is it right here?
And I do sense it was a lot of times because we we were our mortuary was up in um a little town called Idaho Springs, which is a small mountain town, a little mining town in Colorado. And Denver is the closest city. So Denver was where we would take a body to, you know, usually the people that were dying in our area weren't necessarily from our tiny little town. They came to go skiing, and they didn't know that altitude is a real thing.
And maybe their heart stopped or they weren't good at skiing or, you know, some, some other just various thing that happened. And then we would have to take them to the airport to fly them away. And as I sit have sat with this, I have felt that there were individuals who didn't recognize that they had died here. They were going on vacation, they were going to do something fun, or they were passing through.
And suddenly this happened. and to have this panicked feeling that, wait a second, what's going on? That's my body. And here's this little person who had the sense that there was a panic around but didn't have the awareness that it wasn't mine.
That has been a big piece of my unfolding. I, I went into mediumship to learn about what my body was naturally doing that my awareness didn't have. It wasn't catching up to like it had been shut off. I, it sounds to me very much like you can understand that you're there as a sensitive young girl with all these big questions for your dad.
Your dad just wants to kind of be left alone because he's working on someone, you know, you've then got people coming in the next day crying about this person, totally emotional with your dad, showing no emotion to any of this or wanting to answer any of the questions. And that's, you know, it's a very intense environment or, you know, people coming and going, bodies arriving, you know, and I, I can only imagine, you know, being able to sense these things, having these, um, experiences and, um, that leading you on to questions, but, you know, you had that suppressed in you, you had that shut down. And I, I did in my life for a very long time, I attributed my sensitivity as being attributed to being gay and being attributed to, um, you know, shutting that down because I don't want to show too much of that feminine side of me.
It was the way I, I looked at it and I would sort of shut that part of myself down and then, and then, oh, you know, throw me in as a police officer. That's the worst place you should put. A sensitive person is in a police force. And I was seeing, um, you know, a lot of bodies myself, I'll never forget one of, um, the calls I went to, it's such not a nice call.
I'm not even sure if I want to start telling people about it. It was that grim of a call, but it was a horrible experience of going to, because I used to do a lot of suicides and go to people who had hung themselves. Yeah. And it was always and I would really struggle with that energetically because I could feel the, the energy in the room.
And you lead me into rooms that have got certain types of energy. Um, I can, you know, instantly feel uncomfortable. And, um, you know, especially because I've sort of at the moment live in this little world. I've got my house, I've got my bubble.
I go over to my friend, you know, I have these a very safe energy zone at the moment. But you know, that really tested me a lot when I was young. So you went from this environment to then going into you making me laugh already haven't said it yet. Um, comedy.
Improv comedy. And how did you go to doing that because it sounds so unlike the environment that, you know, would have given you the inspiration to do that in some ways. Well, I think it comes from two different things actually. Um, our quote unquote family vacations had to do with going to funeral director conventions.
And um, oh no, not yeah. You're living your day to day. And then yes, on your holidays you then go to funeral conventions. Yes.
Oh no. All of our escape from home had to do with that unless we were traveling to see family. But so going to these conventions and being around other morticians, they are the hands down, funniest people on the planet. Funniest people I've ever been around.
And I at a very early age, I can't pinpoint it exactly. I do recognize that I started feeling visible when I would say funny things when adults in the room, like saw me and said, oh, say that to this person. And within those areas, not just with the other morticians, but with other people like babysitters or people in this small town we lived in would recognize me as being the funny kid. I started putting all of my identity into that.
I am the funny kid. I'm the funny kid, and got into high school and kept telling my teacher I wanted to be Gilda Radner when I grew up. She was my favorite, most favorite. Um.
She was so playful and so silly. And to do a job like that as an adult, what a lovely, amazing job that would be. So, uh, I remember talking to my theater teacher and saying, I don't want to do Shakespeare. I don't care about that.
I want to learn how to write stand up. I want to learn how to write sketches. What do we do? And she actually paid attention.
And the next year, she brought in one of her former students who did improvisational theater at the comedy, and I. That was it, I, I say the heavens opened. I knew what I was going to be doing for the rest of my life. And it's been thirty three years since that introduction.
And I still I mean, I don't perform it as much anymore, but I teach it, uh, at a level where it's more about it looks a little more like mediumship in terms of really just consciousness. How are you aware of what's happening in your body? How are you present with the person with you? How are you present with the situation that's happening in this moment?
So the comedy part is more of a byproduct of a good reality that's being built by individuals who are really attentive to themselves, their own energy, the energy between themselves and another person and the energy being built together. Um, you know, I, I, I did go on to Chicago and where the birthplace of improvisation, uh, studied at the Second City and ImprovOlympic and as a sensitive at first was like, oh my gosh. Yay! All of the funny people, we were all the funniest people in our world growing up, right?
And, but then like in any subculture, there has to be a hierarchy develop, right? Who's the funniest? Well, who's the funniest girl? Who's the funniest guy?
And it was at a time where, I mean, the people I developed with are people that are well known now, and they are parts of me that feel, oh gosh, you know, what was wrong with me? But, but if I'm being honest, what was bubbling up for me was not liking the game of the hierarchy, not liking the game of having to be funny all the time anymore. I was outgrowing it, learning more about the craft itself, um, and was really more interested in. Authentic expression, authentic expression.
And I had done I signed up to do this one half hour show. It's a one woman show or one person show being me, it was a woman. Uh, and I, it, I, I got up, I didn't really know a lot of people in the community. I knew them, they didn't know me.
And I did this show about growing up in the funeral home. And at the end of it, everyone in that room was like, oh my gosh, Kirsten. Like they knew me by name. They were, they were, you know, they saw me, saw me on a deep level.
Where to the ego? It felt like success. But the biggest success I felt that night was that a girl who was sitting in the audience came up to me and she said, we were supposed to go to Second City tonight, and they were completely booked. And we came here.
They told us to come here because the show would happen. My grandparents grew up in or had a funeral home. My dad grew up in it. I know exactly everything you're talking about.
I, um, I this is so amazing that of all the things we could have been doing tonight, we came here, and this is what happened. That to me meant more than when I think back on it now, this need to fit in, this need to be part of. I can understand even when you're talking about that, it's I've always, uh, been someone who was the class clown in a lot of senses because I've always used laughter. And I actually, I, when you were saying that, that was very much why I kind of got into magic and I've never really looked at it that way before, um, until you sort of started explaining your story, but I guess it was the fact of using laughter because I didn't realize this at the time, but I was like a systemic people pleaser, always sort of wanting to seek out love.
And I would use laughter as the ultimate, um, you know, sort of way to build bridges. But even saying that, I think because I'm, I, I've very quick minded, I've always been, um, you know, even when I ran my company, I used to manage a lot of very, uh, you know, guys in their early twenties who, you know, obviously hormones are raging. It's all, you know about who's the best and who's the biggest and who's yes, whatever. And, uh, you know, I used to like to give out that we have to be careful with this word banter now because it starts to verge on bullying at times, doesn't it?
But yeah, I used to like to think that I would, uh, bring about a lot of laughter. Um, but even my, you know, you say something that's awkward. I'm one of those people that, you know, I used to get in trouble and I still do because if something is a little bit awkward, I find my instant reaction is to laugh. And I think sometimes you need to stop doing that because it's like my go to it seems to be laughter.
Um, so anyone listening to this podcast probably understands that because I don't stop being silly, but, you know, it's interesting that you describe that that was, you know, you're connecting that to mediumship, because it is all about being in that moment and reading that room and building that energy. So, you know, it sounds to me like that was very much, um, a really important you couldn't have made it up, could you? You, you sort of grown up in a funeral home. You've then gone into doing, um, the sort of stand up improvisation comedy.
It, it just is almost screaming to me in terms of sounding obvious. Kirsten but you are where you should be. Well, it's, it's so funny because, um, there have been like through all of the healing of childhood stuff, I also have had physical, uh, trauma. I've, I've been hit three times in car accidents and I was a passenger in a rollover.
And I have spent many years getting stuck in my mind with this recovery. Like I'll start moving, life will go forward and then another car and then another car. And these aren't things that like, I didn't do it. I got a light, a green light, and I'm the first car.
So I go and kaboom, there's one. And then here's another one. And when the last one happened, I remember well, with each one, I would just get up and go back to my life. Like the first one was in high school.
I was rear ended. I just went to school. The second one, yeah, the second one was a rollover on. On the highway.
Our tire exploded. I, I was so concerned about getting back to work two days later. The third one I had been I had left Chicago, come back home, was teaching at my old high school, teaching improvisation and sketch writing there, and got hit by a student leaving the parking lot. And the last one, I was hit by a drunk driver who, um, had she not wrapped another car around my car, I don't know that I would be here, and I remember remember being so angry because that was the one where I couldn't go back to work.
I had to pause. I had a physical injury and I couldn't stop crying. And what I now know, uh, through lots of therapy with that was that, oh, I have a traumatic brain injury and I have PTSD and every bit of sensory experience like someone talking to me too much felt like another car hitting me. It was it was having to learn what, like, the mechanism of my body was being present with that and the sensory organs of, of my humanness and learning that I'm safe.
I'm okay. It's okay to be in a car again. It's okay to be in the world again. And I pair a lot of what I learned about the brain and the nervous system with the improvisation that I teach now, because one of the scariest things in the world is for people to be in front of other people and speaking, and to do something that people assume is only comedy improvisation.
It's not. It's about really allowing yourself to be yourself and being the fullest expression of yourself you can be. And sometimes that will look silly. Sometimes that will not be what you choose to show to the rest of the world.
So I do speak about the nervous system in a way that shows them, yeah, we all have this. This is all happening in all of us. Recognize for yourself where it is. I don't have all the answers for you.
I want you to be in your body and understand how you work and how you function, which is a piece that I've been bringing to my development in terms of as a medium, in terms of recognizing, oh, I'm with a partner right now and my legs are shaking. There's something about this partner's energy or who they are that reminds me of something from my past experience, my lived experience. This feels like my father. My father isn't here.
I'm safe. Like, what am I doing internally as a as a medium in a practice session? Right? In the lowest stakes of any form of mediumship.
What am I doing to help my body to know it's safe so that I can open myself to spirit coming through. Because when I'm contracted, there's no opening for them to be able to to come to me. I think sometimes we don't even know if we're in a heightened, uh, nervous system is in a heightened state. You know, I've, um, looked back at times and gone, Jason, you need to calm down.
Um, you know, you're, uh. And especially with my ADHD, I can run away. I can, you know, before you know it, I've boarded the bullet train and I'm off, you know, it's almost like, catch me up. My mom says to me, uh, she says, one thing that really annoys me, there's this, uh, saying.
And my nan used to say, she says, you're Jason, you're being like a bull in a China shop. And I say, you know, that winds me up when you say that, mum, please don't say that. But I have to, you know, watch that my self at times. But you know, it's it's interesting how, you know, all of the threads of your life have kind of come together interestingly as well.
You know, you told me that your son, um, you know, and I don't know why this would be so surprising given, you know, these things often pass down. But yeah, he came into the world and I believe then he started having experiences that's then gone on to shape another part of your life. Absolutely, absolutely. He is, uh, an incredibly alive human being.
I mean, he came out that way and it's been an absolute pleasure to allow him to stay as close to the original packaging that he came in. I mean, for my own child, that that was one of my that was oh, that's such a nice way of putting it. Your son's organic. Yeah, well he's maybe, I don't know, he might.
He's he's in my healing. He's certainly gotten a bit of my, you know, off gassing from my own nervous system, having reactions and responses to things that I wouldn't have been allowed to do that he does. And so it depends on how resourced and, and well balanced I am to be able to take in all of the sensory things he brings me. But when he was about, I want to say three was when I first was having my experiences of these things opening up for me.
And he didn't know it. I had told my husband. He didn't know it though. And there was one morning where he said, oh, I am so tired.
And I said, well, what's going on? And he said, oh, they just kept talking to me all night. And I said, well, who is talking to you? He said the dose.
And I said, oh, okay. Well we've talked because we had had conversations before. He'd said that people were talking to him at night. And I would say you have the right to tell them I'm sleeping now.
You need to go away. You need to just let them know, he said. I said, well, what did you tell him this time? And he said, I told them to go to you, you know what to do.
And I was like, what? I didn't know what? I don't know what to do, but thank you. And it's been a bit of a play back and forth where from that time I started having more experiences at night and had to put, oh, that's interesting, isn't it?
Yes. And it's also been a conversation with he and my my daughter as well. She is very sensitive as well, but she prefers to channel that into animals. Not she doesn't want to have anything to do with dead people.
And I say, I get it, I totally understand. And so we work on that. And with my son, um, when he gets really sick, he starts experiencing, um, Seeing other people or hearing like he was by a railroad and he could hear the trains going by. And he's he says, I'm running, I'm running.
And I, I can't stop myself. And I don't know what I'm carrying something. And they're yelling at me. I hear the men telling me to go faster.
And so I was just doing what intuitively felt right, saying, come on, buddy, it's okay. Come back to this moment. You're in your bed. I'm squeezing his legs, squeezing his arms and reminding him that I'm here in this moment.
And it's just, there's a part of me that feels like, what the heck would it have been like as a child to have had someone doing that for me? And I just want to allow him, you know, if he continues on, if he grows out of it, I don't know but to to validate what he's going through and not shame him or make him feel othered or different. I think we all could be open to many different things if we weren't so distracted by all of the things in the world that they give us to distract us with. I guess I don't have children, and I think navigating that, um, is, is very, very tricky.
I can't imagine what that's like if, if, um, you know, you're going through that. But I, I guess what we're trying to do with children is to make them not live their life through any lens of fear. You know, get them into a state of love. And if you know, you're not accepting or shutting down something within, the problem is the child is so sensitive, they are absorbing everything, um, every little detail.
Um, and it's almost like, you know, if I, if I had a child, I couldn't imagine. I just want to wrap it up in bubble wrap. You know, I'm probably too scared, scared to go out the front door, you know? Yeah.
Do me putting me purple flames and whatever around them. My protection before I take them out. Um, maybe it's. And I was going to say that is another piece that I find in the world of spirituality that can be really based in the nervous system.
What is it that makes us feel like we have to be protected? We have to have that. Like for me, putting a bubble around myself was not cutting it, putting, you know, encircling myself in energy and, and the colors and the things. It wasn't working.
And it wasn't until I had a couple of different teachers, one who speaks beautifully about the nervous system. And that made me just be like, okay, you're my teacher. I'm sticking with you for a while. And another one who said, well, let's be aware of the word we're saying.
You know, like for me, going into big public places feels overwhelming. And I come home and I feel like I've had a hangover for two days from just from energy. Like I don't even drink because it, it affects me so much. But but an energy hangover from something like the mall.
And she said, well, let's pause and listen to the word you're saying. You're really affirming this concept that it is overwhelming. What if you are in your own power and you go into this space? Like there's those bits that hit your brain a little bit differently when it's framed differently, right?
Mhm. And very much so. Yeah. And I, I don't, I could be completely wrong, but it feels more realistic for me than putting the colors around me and all of the, you know, I, yes, I have crystals.
I don't carry them them all. I don't put them in my bra. I'm not I think I'll still survive the day, you know, without these things, I believe because I do have to say about this whole protection, I don't believe because I, I hear a lot of stories, as you can imagine, even doing this podcast of people who feel a need to put protection around themselves from some kind of negative energy. Now, the only thing I protect myself for is about is energy in this world with people who are alive right now.
I don't believe that you need to protect yourself because I don't I don't believe that someone who is linking with the spirit world, who is a bright, shining light and their intention is good, their intention is pure. You are not going to attract any dark entities. Why? Because you are so bright that they can't bear to want to even come near you because you shine too bright.
So I don't believe that. But when I do and I do sometimes I used to sometimes, um, you know, before my, um, when I would go visit my dad or that side of the family, at times I put myself in the energetic bubble, but that was more because I want to deflect off the, you know, the negativity and whatever. But, you know, even when I go on a plane, I just try and ground myself. And because I find those sorts of environments very overwhelming.
And normally I'll put on noise cancelling headphones, and sometimes I'll even put my eye mask on, you know, just because I, I want, I just find it too much the bright lights and all the things that are going on in a plane. But, you know, we have to learn, we learn what we need and we put up the boundaries we need to. And that's what you have to do, isn't it? Absolutely, absolutely.
Knowing what, um, fills you and what depletes you. It's so important. It's so important because if you don't know what the mechanism of this meat sack of yours, you know, is like, how does it work for you? Um, how can you, how can you connect to something that you don't see or, you know, well, you need to, you need to understand your own energy.
And I think that the first stage, um, and this is where I think we live in this world now where everyone just wants everything immediately. The first stage of, um, going through that process of really understanding And if you want to go down that path of the spirit world and learn about the connection to them, you've got to understand your energy first of all. And you know, if you're in a, in a heightened state, um, and you're not grounded, you're not going to flow, you're going to be jumpy. So you need to sort of try and calm down in yourself first.
And that that really is what meditation is all about, isn't it? It's about trying to get yourself into that state where you're calm enough and still enough to actually allow some insight to come in. You know, if I go back ten years ago in my life, Kirsten, um, there was so much going on, the spirit world wouldn't have stood a chance of getting through because I was my mind was cluttered up with all sorts of garbage, uh, back then. Oh my gosh.
And when I started meditating for the sake of meditation, not for any sake of trying to get to a specific spiritual space, right? Or hitting a place of enlightenment. There was no goal at the end of it. It was just to relax myself, to calm myself down, to be with this present moment.
That's when. That's when my sense is opened. That's when my experience has started. And we're loud and big.
And the more that I've kept my connection to them, they've quieted down. They know when and where. And now they're helping me to attune in ways that are so much more subtle and aren't quite as big. Like they don't have bullhorns screaming in my ear anymore.
They're well, that's because for one point, you needed the bullhorn. Yes, but it's like the spirit world. Do this thing with me. Um, where they, when I'm whenever I see it and with the intention of wanting to connect whatever, I always move and rock and I and I, and it's almost like I'm being pushed by the spirit world from side to side.
And I did once, um, you know, say, and a friend of mine even said it in a reading, which was very kind of very confirming for me that I felt correctly. But I said, why do you do that? And they said, we do it because you like us doing it, because it lets you know, confirmation that we're there. And I said, okay.
Um, and they, and they then said, um, yeah, I said, will you always do that? And they said, no, only until you no longer need it. And I thought, oh no, I do actually quite like it. But when that used to start happening at the beginning, um, when I was sitting, it would be like, oh my goodness, what was that?
You know, the ego, the fear would kick in and then I'd come at the energy and because I'd think, oh my God, something just touched me. But I was sitting, you know, through that lens of, um, there's nothing to be scared of, you know, but there's, there's really not really. Well, as a child, that was the thing when you walked into our home, it was, uh, sort of the, the, the foyer and then the area where people would make arrangements in a very dark, long hallway that led to the casket room, and my dad's office was at the what was next to the casket room. And so to walk down that hallway, I always felt a rush of someone coming behind me and I was always looking or I was.
The fear was huge at that point. And on my own, I was doing what I saw Elsa doing in frozen, which was throwing my hands and basically I wasn't. No ice was coming out, but I was saying, no, back up, not okay. How the heck did I know that?
But then as my development started happening and I was having these experiences in the middle of the night, it would be a very cold hand on my back coming all the way down. And now I've still said, leave me alone at night. But there will be little things on my back. It's always my back that they like to come to.
There's some form of a tuning happening there that I'm like, okay, do it and get it over with. I got to go to sleep. I see all I because I hear people say this a lot as well. And I being in these kind of environments and knowing, you know, so many mediums I do hear at the dinner table, sometimes people say, oh, you know, this happens and I'm bothered hearing I'm bothered there.
And I, I always, I never say it, but I always think to myself, you know, you are in control. What? Because I never have this happen at all. It does.
Sometimes I'll have people come through, but it will be for a particular reason or whatever. But I think I, I think I'm a very strong willed person. I'm the sort of person, if I'm off, I really am off because I'm in control all the time. Um, so I've, I, I think I'm too strong willed.
I think the spirit people go, do you know what, there's probably mediums out there that entertain this far more easily than me. But it's, it's interesting, isn't it? And mediumship, it's so individual, which is why. Yeah, it's such an individual journey.
So insult sink, honour Kirsten in tradition. Even leave us on some final words today, then some final words. Oh, I think what I love whenever I'm with either groups of people that I'm coaching or people that I am giving readings to, I love to give. The awareness of what it is that enlivens us, what it is that makes us feel.
That we are connected to this present moment. For me, play is a big piece, coming together with other people and enjoying being in joy with them, watching their inner five year old pop onto their face and be in such excitement over what just came out of their mouth. What what they, um, heard from another person and how, how we can connect to one another on a deeper level through that kind of laughter and joy, and allowing the moment to take us where it wants us to go without us trying to drive the train and be in charge all the time. Because there is a freedom to allowing the energy of the moment to take us and deliver us into the next lesson of our life, the next version of ourself that needs to be present for the world.
And I'm always saying to students, allow yourself to be yourself, that I try to work on being the me est me that I ever made as an invitation for you to be the you is you that ever you and I. I hope to continue bringing light into spaces that could use a little more brightness. Beautiful. Well, it's always the memories I feel that we remember, um, in our photo book of our imagination are always moments when we are in the moment.
Yeah. Um, and that's always the memories that we remember when we think back to those fond experiences we've had along the way. So there's a lot to that, but it's been insightful. It's been beautiful.
It's been lovely to have you on. Kirsten, thanks for coming on the Soul Sync. Jason. Thank you for having me.
I absolutely love that conversation. And Kirsten's story just blew me away. Even now, before we finish, I just want to share something I'm really excited about for years, in one way or another, I've been in the business of helping people unlock their potential, helping people recognize what's already within them, and giving them the confidence to actually use it. And recently, through working with people more closely around psychic and mediumistic development, I've discovered just how much I absolutely love teaching this work.
So very soon I'm going to be launching a series of online development classes and circles with opportunities to work with me, both online and in person. Of course, I'm going to be getting a lot of my inspiration from the spirit world, and it's going to be about developing your own connection, building confidence, understanding your own unique way of working. And that's just so important. We mustn't live in boxes.
We must understand that mediumship is a creative process, so it will also be about enjoying the process rather than constantly worrying about getting it right. I'll be sharing all the details very soon, so if you'd like to be the first to hear about my new classes, head over to my website. JasonPaulMedium.com. I'm genuinely so excited about this next chapter and I can't wait to share it with you.