What Are We Really Capable Of? The Boundless Potential of Being Human with Nicola Farmer

Mediumship

30 Aug

Somewhere along the way, we start collecting words. Realistic. Impossible. Talented. Ordinary. And then we start collecting words about ourselves — I am this, I am not that, I could never. Mediumship has made me question those boundaries again and again, because most of them aren't real. They're language. And this conversation, with fellow medium Nicola Farmer, is about what happens when you stop believing them.

Meet Nicola Farmer

Nicola is a medium I've shared a platform with more than once, and someone who's spent years thinking as hard about language as she has about spirit. She works with children on developing their intuition, she does public demonstrations and charity events, and she talks about her late sister — who, in her words, "kicked my butt" onto this path through dream state — the same way I talk about my granddad. We've both ended up here by a strange route, and we spent this conversation pulling on exactly why.

The Word "Try" Allows Failure

Nicola said something early on that I haven't stopped thinking about: the word try allows failure. The moment you're trying to connect, you've already built in the possibility of not managing it. I know that one from the inside — mediumship came easily to me at the very beginning, before I cared. The second I started really wanting it to work, I started trying harder, and the harder I tried, the less it worked.

Her fix isn't what you'd expect. "Fake it till you make it" gets treated as a cheat, but she reframed it as something else entirely — you're not lying, you're bypassing the left brain, the analytical part that wants proof and process, so the right brain, the feeling part, can actually get on with the job. Spirit doesn't want a performance. It wants you to step aside.

Tick-List Mediums vs. The Real Thing

Nicola raised something that applies well beyond mediumship: so many people — mediums included — quietly measure themselves against a checklist of what they're "supposed" to do or be, instead of just being authentically themselves. Have I ticked A, B and C? Did I hit the right beats? That expectation, she said, has probably held back more developing mediums than any lack of natural ability ever has.

It's the same trap in reverse of the one that had me, years ago, standing in front of a mirror doing daily affirmations, feeling like an absolute wally, because I was trying to become something rather than let something come through me.

Pulling My Own Strands Together

I've lived what I'd call a catch-me-if-you-can life: magician, cabin crew, police officer, recruitment business founder, medium, podcast host — and now adding platform mediumship to the pile. For a long time I saw those as unrelated chapters. Nicola calls it something better: grooming, in the most positive sense. Every job feeds the next thing you become.

My years as a police officer gave me what I can only call an anti-nonsense detector — colleagues used to say I could walk into a room and find the one thing that didn't add up. That same instinct built my recruitment business. And now I can see it was never really separate from the psychic side of me at all — it was the same faculty, just pointed at a different job. Looking back at your own chequered CV and asking "what did every one of those jobs actually teach me" is a genuinely useful exercise, whether or not mediumship is anywhere on your radar.

Language as Vibration

This is where Nicola's whole philosophy sits: every word you use is a vibrational frequency, and a limited vocabulary limits what spirit can say through you. She has her students open a thesaurus and learn five new words a day — not for the sake of sounding clever, but because you can't relay a word you don't have. I've done the same exercise myself since she gave it to me.

The single biggest shift she gave me was this: stop using the word think, and replace it with feel. "Think" keeps you in the analytical left brain. "Feel" moves you into the sensitivity spirit actually needs to work through. She does the same thing with children she teaches — she never asks them "what colour do you see," because a question forces an analytical answer. She says "tell me what colour," because it invites the answer straight from the right brain, no filtering required.

The Code Word Problem

Nicola named the single biggest challenge in mediumship, and it isn't spirit — it's the sitter's expectations. Families set up a code word with a dying loved one — "when you come through, say the word bananas" — and then sit waiting for the one word instead of hearing everything else that's actually being said. Meanwhile the person in spirit is trying to tell a whole story, and the sitter's need for confirmation is drowning it out.

Her question cuts straight through it: who do you actually work for? Her answer, and increasingly mine, is spirit — always. The sitter is the receiver, the client, someone I care about deeply and I'm there for. But the moment my head is in the client instead of with the person in spirit, the reading suffers. Working for spirit first isn't a lack of care for the person in front of you — it's what actually serves them.

Storytelling, Not Yes or No

The best compliment Nicola says she can get after a reading is someone telling her it felt like sitting in Costa Coffee with their mum having a chat. That's the standard: a flowing story, not a string of yes-or-no confirmations. When you're really in the flow of it, there's no space left for a no, because you're telling someone's whole life rather than fishing for validation line by line.

She also talked about celebrating the wins rather than dwelling on the misses — comparing good mediumship to a swan gliding across water, calm on the surface, working hard underneath. There's a story she told about a reading where she described a man as "a bit on the chunky side," instantly worried she'd overstepped, only for his two ex-girlfriends in the audience to say that's exactly what everyone used to call him. Trusting what comes through, even when it feels risky, is often exactly what makes a reading land.

Science Is Catching Up

Nicola made a point that I think is genuinely important for anyone sceptical of this work: science and mediumship aren't opposites, they're studying the same territory from different directions. She's spoken with quantum physicist Tom Campbell, author of My Big Toe, about consciousness — and her view is that mediumship isn't separate from science, it's simply operating in a level of consciousness science is only just starting to take seriously. For too long the two have been treated as enemies. They're not. They're one conversation.

How Truly Do You Know Yourself?

Nicola asked a question near the end that stopped me: how many mediums actually know who they are? I spent a long time being the Jason I thought I should be, rather than the Jason I actually was. Growing up gay in an all-boys school in Kent, I didn't want to be having the feelings I was having, so I suppressed them — and for years I tied my sensitivity to my sexuality, telling myself "I'm gay, that's why I'm sensitive," rather than just letting it be part of who I am. Other people telling you not to be so sensitive is, in a strange way, beating the medium out of you, word by word. Understanding that took me most of my life. I suspect it takes most people theirs.

Where This Leaves You

Nicola's closing message is the whole episode in one line: it's not about believing in what's possible, it's about knowing you are that possibility. Whatever you're doing — mediumship, a reading, a change of career, rebuilding a sense of who you are — the answer was never going to be found outside yourself. We're far more capable, adaptable and intuitive than the identities we've built around ourselves over a lifetime of collecting the wrong words.

If any of this has struck a chord — a sense that you've been talking yourself out of your own potential, or a pull to actually hear from someone who's crossed over — that's exactly the kind of thing a mediumship or psychic reading can open up. I'd be glad to help you take that next step.

SPIRITUAL TAKEAWAYS:

The word "try" allows failure. Real connection — with spirit, or with your own potential — happens when you stop trying and start feeling.
A checklist of what you're "supposed" to be is the enemy of authenticity. Whether you're a medium or not, ticking boxes gets in the way of the real thing.
Nothing in your past is wasted. Every job, every skill, every hard chapter is training for what comes next, if you're willing to look back and connect the dots.
Language shapes what can come through you. A narrow vocabulary limits your own expression as much as it limits spirit's.
Know who you're really working for. Whether it's a client, an audience, or your own life, putting the deeper truth first — not the immediate expectation — is what actually serves people.

Nicola Farmer is a spiritual mentor, spirit, psychic and trance medium, teacher, healer and author whose work explores consciousness, human potential and spiritual development.

Nicola Farmer:
https://nicolafarmer.com

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Jason 00:03 Welcome back to The Soul Sync. What are we really capable of? Not what we've been told, not what we've already done, not what seems sensible, but what is actually possible for a human being. Because somewhere along the way, we start collecting words realistic, impossible, talented, ordinary, spiritual, scientific, right and wrong. And then we collect words about ourselves. I am this. I am not that. I could never. And perhaps that's where some of the boundaries begin. Not in reality, but in language. Mediumship has made me question those boundaries again and again. What are we capable of perceiving? What is consciousness? What happens when something doesn't fit the explanation we already have? And do we need to rush to explain it or can we simply become curious? My next guest today, Nicola Farmer, is also a medium. Nicola understands something I think is incredibly important. Words matter. So today we explore mediumship, science, spirituality, storytelling, grief, responsibility, and the stories we tell ourselves about what is and what isn't possible. Where are the limits? We discuss what are human beings truly capable of achieving if we believe we can. We discuss how the words you speak truly affect your reality. This is my conversation with fellow medium Nicola Farmer. Enjoy.
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Jason 1:56 Nicola, welcome back to The Soul Sync. It's lovely to have you here.
Nicola Farmer 02:02 Thank you. It's a great pleasure to be with you on this very sunny Sunday afternoon.
Jason 02:08 Very Sunday, but not quite as hot as it's been, which is an absolute relief because after some recent recordings, I've been almost peeling myself off this leather chair afterwards. You know that horrible state you get when you're all uh, you know, you need your underwear changed afterwards because you're sticking to items of furniture.
Nicola Farmer 02:26 Little too much information there, Jason.
Jason 02:28 Yes. Yes, we've lost. I'm gonna lose people before we've even started. It's a delight to have you back on. And you've been on a few times before, and I will say from the very beginning, because I'm likely to forget this, but we are doing a platform evening of mediumship, you and I, on this coming Friday, the 28th of August. If you're listening to this after that next year, then apologies, you've missed it. But we are doing that, and we're excited about that because it's gonna be an evening of love, laughter, spirit connection.
Nicola Farmer 02:58 It is, it's gonna be a lovely, lovely evening, and you know, it's gonna be so interesting to see what unfolds. It's gonna be amazing.
Jason 03:08 You never know what's gonna happen in these types of demonstration type scenarios. You can have an inkling, but I think it's better to just always be in that moment. I'm getting I'm starting to feel now, because we're less than a week, getting that sort of buzzing of energy in my stomach where it's like, oh, I'm a bit nervous, I'm a bit excited, you know, and I I it feels like a nice feeling, it feels like a building effect. And I do you know what? The last time I did uh mediumship on the days leading up to it, especially on the day, I that's why I couldn't sleep the night before because I think it was excitement.
Nicola Farmer 03:42 Yeah, there's a there's a fine line between feeling anxious and excited, and that that fine line, some people well, actually, most people, we're so used to identifying those feelings as anxiety. But actually, you know, not only should we be excited, but imagine how excited spirit are to have a voice.
Jason 04:01 Well, it's interesting, isn't it? Because even if you think about any type of situation when someone is pushing themselves out of their comfort zone massively, you know, a school concert or platform mediumship, whatever it might be, the first thing we do normally jump to where we get that feeling is oh god, it's anxiety, and we attach a negative to it, don't we? But you know, it's a building of nerves and excitement. And sometimes I think if you don't feel that, then you know, that's probably not a positive thing.
Nicola Farmer 04:28 No, but you know, I always say to people, if you stand on the stage to sing a song in a choir on your own, you've had a script to either use or learn. You know, if you're an actor, if you're a presenter, you have everything laid out in front of you, and you either read it or you you've learnt it. With mediumship, there's no script.
Jason 04:51 There's that, and I think, but I think there's also the fact that when we look at someone do a performance like that, a lot of the time we will look at that person and go, Oh, I wish I could be that good, or I wish I could, you know, sing like that. But we don't at all take into consideration the journey, the work someone's had to do to get to that place. And mediumship is no exception to that rule, is it not?
Nicola Farmer 05:11 Oh, absolutely, because in fact, I would say more work has to go into mediumship because you've got to put all of your faith into the unknown.
Jason 05:22 You have, and you're also in a position where you've got someone in front of you that you don't know, and not because we won't even go into reading for people you know, because that's a whole nother kettle of fish, but for someone you don't know, and when you're learning this, you know, I remember thinking to myself, I have to get this right. I'm saying, I've got someone's uncle with me. So, what you do in those early days mediums do is they they go very safe, they don't go with exactly what they feel. It's all I might have this, and and that even in itself robs you of that power. Because that ties into one of the central questions I wanted to delve into today on this episode, because we are both people who I think have a lot of credentials, Nicola, to talk about this without making it ego-related. But what becomes possible when we stop defining ourselves by what we think we are capable of? What does that question immediately bring to your mind?
Nicola Farmer 06:24 Anything's possible.
Jason 06:26 It is, and it sounds simple, doesn't it?
Nicola Farmer 06:28 Yeah, and it r and it really should be simple. Because, you know, uh human minds have this innate ability to overcomplicate everything. You know, we we're almost programmed to make it complicated, and and it shouldn't be that way at all. It should be as simple as possible.
Jason 06:47 That's what I found so difficult about mediumship is even the the very concept, and when the penny dropped that all this sitting, trying, forcing, pushing is actually hindering me. And it's the simplicity of it that's makes it so very difficult, does it not? Because in any other area of our life or the behaviours that we've learned, we we feel that it should be difficult or it should be harder than it actually is, and we can't comprehend that, can we, a lot of the time?
Nicola Farmer 07:20 Exactly. And you know, I'm sure we'll come on to this about language, but for a very long time, mediumship has been called mental mediumship, you know, and that instantly brings the brain into place or into play, even. And so, but as a medium, the brain should just be the processor, everything else about you as a as a human being, as a medium, should be about the essence of spirit, so you know it doesn't have to be complicated, and I think language that we use and the mindset that we get ourselves into is absolutely key to being a good medium.
Jason 08:01 It is, and it takes a long time mediumship to learn or unlearn a lot of the things that you need to work on in order for it happen. And I feel that at the beginning it flowed so well, but at the beginning that the problem was at the very start of my journey was it flowed too well where it was effortless. Then when it sort of stopped working so well, when I started really caring about it now, I care about mediumship because I want to develop it. It was at that juncture when I started trying, it stopped working. So, what did I want to do? Try harder, you know, beat myself up, Jason. You must try more, more to sit in the power. And when I am sitting in the power, I'm trying to connect, and it's not happening. And the more I try, Nicola, the less it's working.
Nicola Farmer 08:52 Exactly. And that's the problem. You know, I get I we'll go, we'll I'll bring it back to language every time. The word try allows failure. So while we're trying, it's like we're we're pushing the boundaries so hard that we're failing at it. You know, one of my favorite sayings is fake it till you make it. I I love that saying, but are we actually faking it or are we just bypassing the left brain so that we get it, you know, so much easier? Because, you know, it doesn't have to be hard, none of it. And we've all been there, we've all had to really put effort into developing what we see mediumship should be. But I think the the thing that's got lost in translation is actually what does spirit want us to be?
Jason 09:43 I believe spirit wants us to be individuals and to be totally ourselves and to be totally creative in what we do and to be the most truest expression of ourselves that we can possibly be.
Nicola Farmer 09:58 Exactly. And that's what we don't have to try to be. Because when we're being our natural organic self, spirit can make that blend with us in such an easy way. So it's a bit like you know, the fluidity of being yourself or then trying to get through a brick wall because we're trying to be something that we're not.
Jason 10:18 Even the word trying suggests that it's not going to be easy, it's going to it's going to require effort. So I'm gonna have to work at it.
Nicola Farmer 10:31 Yeah, we shouldn't have to, because we are spirit, so all we're all we're being asked to do is, you know, Nicola, Jason, step aside, let's communicate with your spirit so that we can have this, you know, dialogue that we only want your mouth to move.
Jason 10:51 So so why is it then so many people, you know, don't feel that it's as easy as you and I talking, if indeed, and of course it is, because you know, we are talking to another soul, something that we are.
Nicola Farmer 11:07 Yeah, I I actually don't know the answer to that. And you know, we we could sit here and debate it till the cows come home. But the thing is, it's all to do with the human mind, and you know what else I think, Jason? I think it's because people feel they have to be perfect. You know, another one of my favorite sayings is let's be perfectly imperfect.
Jason 11:34 Um beautiful in that, even just to be authentic, you know. I'm so drawn to authenticity and that kind of thing because that's you know how I try to live my life now, to be the most authentic person I can. And you know, that's kind of what I pride myself with. And I think if I can't be authentic around someone, that's a very important barometer of you know, who I want to spend time with is how much myself I can be. But that's not always you know easy for people, you know. We can't all be in an ideal situation of, you know, current well, currently sat at home on my ass, not working. I'm making that as if I'm unemployed at the moment. I'm very busy doing mini Jason things. Yes. Yes, yes, but you know, it's I kind of remember the point I was making now.
Nicola Farmer 12:23 Well, actually, I'm I'm gonna raise a point here because something's just popped into my mind, and I think it's very valid to say this. Developing mediums, practicing mediums, advanced mediums, whatever we people want to call themselves, I think it comes down to the expectation. And I think that plays a major role in so many mediums' lives. What is expected of them? Have we ticked the list? Have I have I done A, B, and C during that that connection, that communication? You know, and and I think over a long period of time there's been like this, I don't know even what the word is, but like a description of what a medium should be. And I feel that that has played a major role and and actually possibly have held a lot of people back from developing to their best ability to be the authentic medium because they're trying to tick the list of what's expected.
Jason 13:32 I d I totally understand what you mean because it's a very complex thing to even unravel this because how we perceive ourselves is very complicated in even the standards we set for ourselves and where we feel we should be, and why is that, and why do we sometimes hold ourselves to these standards that seem so high that it's the standards in the first place that are the problem in actually getting to that place, and it and there's so many ways that you can unravel that, but I want to go back to when you you made you to quote your phrase just now, and it was something I used to say a lot fake it till you make it, because I want to take you there, because I, you know, for instance, have lived a catch me if you can life so far of magician, cabin crew, police officer, recruitment business, medium, podcast host. Now I'm adding to my next one, standing on platform doing mediumship. But even when I was in my early days of recruitment, I used to fake do that fake it till you make it. And I used to stand in the front of the mirror every day with affirmations of I'm going to be the best this, and at the beginning I didn't believe it, and I felt like an absolute wally, you know, standing in front of the mirror doing it, my younger 24-year-old self. And you know, I did feel like an idiot, but there is something in that, and there's something in the fact that some of those versions of Jason and a lot of those versions of Jason back there probably would have thought the late later versions of Jason, it would have been completely impossible. If someone had told me at the start of my police officer days, you know, fast forward four years later, yes, you would go through one of the worst experiences in hell, actually, in your time in the police, but spit you out four years later, you're then you know, got a business with multi-million but had turnover. I wouldn't have believed you are thought your bonkers.
Nicola Farmer 15:30 Yeah, but that's probably why we don't know what we're gonna be doing because we would run a we would we'd run a mile, we wouldn't do it. We would not do it. But you know, I've also had I've never actually had a career, I've always had lots of different jobs. You know, I've worked in sales, I've worked in recruitment, I've done so many things. But you know, one day I just sat there and I looked at all the jobs I've had since I left school and I wrote a list of everything I learned in those jobs that now play out in my role now. So I kind of look at it as a form of grooming. I mean that in the most positive way, of course. Oh, it's not it's as you say it.
Jason 16:17 You knew that you were gonna invoke laughter in me. Now you're using your sidekick to lead me up a garden path. She's turning. I'm I'm gonna have to put the explicit thing by this already. I can tell as I want to publish.
Nicola Farmer 16:28 But I do, I really do, because you know, when I was a kid, my parents made me stand up and do public speaking, and I hated them for it. I was like, please don't put me in front of all those people. But I'm so grateful for that now because I can stand up and speak in front of people. So all those chequered jobs or you know, backgrounds that we've had, including all of the traumas, are absolutely playing out a role in what we're doing now.
Jason 17:01 Do you know what? It's even this place I've arrived at now, and you're almost describing things in such a way where it really resonated then because what I'm trying to achieve now since leaving my business, and you know, I'm having more clarity on it all the time, on what do I want to do, but it is it is about polling all these strands together because what made me such a great recruiter was because it was for years I was using my psychic faculties. I've honed those, you know, I hone them in the police. I I've always had a bit of an anti-bullshit detector, to be quite honest with you. You know, I used to be I used to get hunches when people used to say to me in my police station, they used to say, you know, you you well, they used to call me a I've already sworn once now, so I may as well do this again, but they used to call me a shit bag, in it. Because I used to wherever I go, I'd find a crime and I'd come back with an arrest in no time at all. And you know, then all those skills got pulled together, the the the vibrancy of my cabin crew days, the vibrancy of my virgin days, and that was the inspiration that fueled everything at the company and how I wanted it to be. So it is about polling all these e these strands together, isn't it? And but a lot of the time, people don't always do that because they they they lack the belief and the potential in the skills that they've got.
Nicola Farmer 18:16 Exactly, because nobody's saying to them, stop and evaluate who you are. You know, look back through your life and say, what has happened to me in my life that I can now feed into being a psychic, being a medium, being a healer, being you know, that spiritual person. Because all of those things are playing out for you to be the best version of yourself when you reach that point when you surrender and say, Okay, I'm a medium.
Jason 18:50 And do you know what? I'm not someone who is backwards in coming forwards at times. Well, yes, you might you might think that a lot of people often think that I'm this shy, retiring person. I can actually be, you know, you put me in a group of people though. I do, I'm one of those people who sits back and kind of makes an assessment, you know. I'm but then if there's an opportunity to throw my hat in the ring, I will put my hands up pretty quickly.
Nicola Farmer 19:15 Um they say you've got to be careful of the quiet ones.
Jason 19:19 You do, you do because I I it's the quiet ones that make me nervous, you know. When I'm in a room and someone isn't talking, I'm thinking, who are they? You know, but joking to one side, you you know have groomed me or inspired me, yes, in parts of my mediumship. And one thing I am gonna be eternally grateful to you for is language, because you know, the words we use really do create the world we live in, don't they? And you know, I guess a question for you, because you are so sensitive to language, you know, what's your thoughts on? Do our words simply describe, you know, our experience, or do they do you feel they actually kind of constrain it? What what's your thoughts and how would you explain this to people? Because it took me a while to really become aware, but what made me learn is when you said, um, when I said to you, I want to stop going in my head with my mediumship, and you said, Well, stop using the word think.
Nicola Farmer 20:27 Exactly, exactly. And and I don't think language stops us, I think our language defines us, and and that's massive because every single word that we use is is a vibrational frequency, it's it's it's putting something out there, and and for me, language is so so important, and also having um a broad spectrum of language as well, because one of the exercises I give my students is to but go by Theosaurus. I did this with you, look up, choose one word every day and learn five different words because if we don't have a broad spectrum of language, then we're limiting the language that spirit can use through us as well. But when I said to you, just stop using the word think, and I I'm pretty sure I said replace it with I feel when we move into feeling mode, we're moving into the sensitivity of our spirit, and when we move into that sensitivity, then we are ready to be blending with spirit, to be the communicator, to be that storyteller. So replacing I feel or sorry, replacing I think with I feel is a huge step in in that development of the sensitivity that we need.
Jason 21:58 Exactly. And even That in itself was so powerful for me, and it's I've become very aware of my language, and I'm not the biggest reader, and I I've said that before on this podcast, but I do the dictionary and thesaurus exercise every day because to have that wider paint palette of language, you know, can help you in any aspect of your life. This isn't just about mediumship, but mediumship is you know, you make that point because if we don't know a word, how on earth can that spirit person use it unless you trust enough to start going into some kind of spirit trans ablib?
Nicola Farmer 22:38 Yeah, exactly. And and the other thing I encourage people to do all the time, and and this is specifically with my work with children, when we're working with them, we never ever ask them a question. So if I'm saying to a child, or I wanted to say to a child, tell me what colour you see on the page, or sorry, what colour do you see on the page, I would say, tell me what colour. Because any form of questioning has to go through the left brain. The left brain is the perceptual side of the brain, it's the it's the analytical side. So the minute we start questioning our mediumship or questioning spirit, the left brain becomes so active that it it it kind of takes us off track. So even practicing every day in life, saying instead of saying to you, How are you today, Jason? You've got to answer me through your left brain. You've got to find the most perceptual analytical answer you can give me. But if I say to you, Jason, tell me how you're feeling today, you can spur it out immediately because your right brain's going, I've got this.
Jason 23:44 It I was just doing it as you said it, and you do. When you say, Jason, you know, how you think the first thing I'm doing is I'm thinking, Well, what can I say? But how I'm how I'm feeling, I'm feeling absolutely marvelous, I tell you, on a Sunday evening. I've even got a new back cushion, feeling quite comfortable. But it's it's so important because the words we use bring about change in the quickest way possible. And I feel that if you want to bring a radical change in your life, be aware of that language that you are speaking and the language of the inner voice we have, the narrator, the sometimes very unhelpful chatter of the mind. And be aware, you know, if you're gonna start wanting to develop something, whether it be mediumship, your psychic or whatever, and you start saying, Well, I'm not a medium yet, you know, I'm not a psychic, but I'm working on it, I'm training. You are stealing yourself of power. And you know, if you're gonna say, I could never do that, guess what? You probably can't. So you've got to be aware of that. But even I catch myself at times, and during this pack period of transition of change, you know, every now and then I have the the, you know, the ego pop up with all what you're gonna do, then is it gonna work? And I think, bog off, will you, man? Bog off, you know. And I sort of sometimes I gently train it and say, Okay, you know, go go in the corner, and other times it's like, do one, you know, I don't need to hear that today. But you have to work on that, and that that is is difficult because if you've had a childhood of, you know, someone telling you all the time that you need to work for that, you know, success is something that's you know got to be hard, or you know, you've just been brought up even in a way that you know you've associated that you have to work to be loved, or whatever that might be. These things are deep wired within you, so it takes work, doesn't it?
Nicola Farmer 25:45 It does, and and unfortunately, many, many people are programmed in such ways that the subconscious has got such a a strong hold over the human mind that you know if if you tell them black is white, they would believe you. Because they're conditioned to be told what they can and can't do. And and education, you know, I'm I'm not against education, we all need that basic education, but but it just doesn't give enough for children growing into you know adults the opportunity to be creative, to be, you know, I I talk about the right brain, but the right brain is the intuition, it's the creativity, it's everything that we need in life to not survive but live. But the conditioning that you know sits beautifully in the subconscious is is gonna be played out through the ego that says you're you're never gonna be a great medium because you know people are gonna judge you for what you're doing, or you know, or that they're just gonna look at you from a perspective that you know, oh, she wasn't quite right with that. And immediately they'll jump on the bandwagon as in that was wrong. You know, I I watched um a reel recently on on social media, and it was this teacher standing in front of a classroom of teenager students, and he was writing the nine times table up on the board, and he got to ten times nine, he put equals nine to one, and the whole class erupted into laughter because he got it wrong, and he just waited for them to settle down, he turned around, he looked at them, and he said, You mocked me for one wrong answer, but you didn't celebrate me for the other nine correct ones. And that stuck in my mind, Jason, because you know, we live in a world of criticism, we live in a world of judgment, and and until people soften and give everybody a chance to make those mistakes and learn from them, but mostly to celebrate all the successes, you know, that's what needs to shift. And and as a medium, you know, we're born sensitive, we make those uh ri connections, we understand the connection with spirit, and we become more sensitive, and then spirit turn around and go, and now it's time to toughen up. And and in that toughening up process, it's not toughening up for a spirit, it's toughening up in a world that's gonna judge you the immediately you make them uh you know a wrong move or say something wrong. But we've got to get over that, we've got to get by bypass the fact that we we're human and we're gonna make mistakes. That we've got to start celebrating the successes.
Jason 28:34 We do, and I I much more like that even myself now, and I encourage all the little small wins, and actually, it was very much that that I'm sure was responsible for a lot of my early days recruitment success. I I used to be someone who was very superstitious, and I'd have crystals on my desk, I'd have slot machines, and I used to, I remember actually it used to drive my boss mad at the time. Every time I'd do a BD call, I'd pull the handle on my slot machine. If I got through in it, it'd do a ding, ding, ding. And I used to get through to so many calls, you see, I'd be polling it all the time, and then there was a clear desk policy implemented. Not long after that, I uh did one. Uh, started at another company. You take my lucky charms, I'm gone. That's what I was it does, you know. You we the way you mentioned there about the mind being like a computer program, it's a good way to look at it, isn't it? Because we are today who we were yesterday in a lot of senses, and a lot of people don't change their programming at all. And my late father, bless him, you know, he was a bit of a glass half-full program running all the time, you know. I would say always it was that would be the dinner table, you know, you'd have two sides of the table, you'd have him with the glass half empty, and then you'd have me with the optimistic view. And but he's made you know me the person I am today. It was that conditioning. Why have I always driven myself so much? Because, you know, I would a lot of the time, well, I wouldn't get the tent, I wouldn't get the nine and he'd say about the ten, I'd probably get the six and he'd say about the eight. But you know, academia was never my massive strong point back then. But it's important, you know, because how if we always describing ourselves in a certain way, you're not gonna do this. At what point point does the description become an identity?
Nicola Farmer 30:21 Yeah, and and that is key. That is so key. You know, I I did a dem recently, it was a charity evening, and you know what I found really important was educating the people in this in the room before I even started. Because giving them the heads up on how to receive a message, how to be a part of a group, how to be part of the crowd in the room, and to honor each other in as much that, well, if you're not getting the message and this person is, then you know, listen in because there could be a message inside the message for you. So all of those things is this education of mediumship, of receiving, of giving. And for me, I'm finding it really, really exciting.
Jason 31:18 How would you describe the shift?
Nicola Farmer 31:22 I feel that that shift is is through the education of of you know what is who are we, what we're here to do. But I kind of see it that there's a younger generation that's starting to take an interest. And in those younger generations, we've got the perfect opportunity to say, you know, this is how a message is delivered. No two messages are going to be the same, no two mediums are gonna be the same, your expectations are gonna hold things back. Let's just sit together and celebrate spirit, and that's what I see the shift being.
Jason 32:01 Begin with love, and it's even got me thinking, This is and you know, I want to do mediumship my way, and that's you know been a big recent shift in my mindset, and I want to deliver mediumship in a way that brings in more theatre to it, more manipulation of the energy because normally, traditionally, in churches here, mediumship is done in a way where I can't just be honest, I can't repeat the service too much because I haven't been to that many of them, but I think that speaks volumes for me. It doesn't hold my attention enough. I don't find the inspiring bit inspiring. So, what I want to develop at the moment is a routine that shows the boundless potentials of communication, the mind, and what we can do as human beings, uh, but doing that in a visual way where the inspiration is then a build-up of the energy. So that's what I'm trying to work on with my mediumship. And it feels fun, it feels, and you know, it's bringing back, like you said earlier, the strands of my very beginning. The first ever job I had was being a magician. And actually, just the other day, it really touched my heart when I was going through my dad's possessions at his home in London. He still had the book because he would keep the books for me at 15, 16, and I saw how much I was making, and I was making about 250 pounds a week. But back then, that wasn't that was decent money, yeah. So, you know, I'm excited to bring some magic back into it. But you know, so just to bring this back then, you know, to be very clear about this. Do you think some of the biggest limitations we experience then start off as the sentences we speak?
Nicola Farmer 33:43 Oh, for sure, absolutely for sure. You know, and our mediumship has been changing to the degree where there's much more humour coming into it.
Jason 33:52 Oh, me too.
Nicola Farmer 33:53 The humour, and and it's you see, for me, w we could have an audience full of people, whether it be in a church, whether it be in a centre. I mean, I know churches, there's more reverence involved, and you know, I don't have a problem with that, but it doesn't stop it the it being funny as well, you know. And as long as we're being reverent when we need to be, and you know, sensitive when we're talking about sensitive issues, that I I I see it being that we need to be natural. And if you're funny naturally, I can be funny naturally, and and if we can bring us into it, not just being robots, not just being clones of somebody else, and bringing our natural essence into that space, because if if I'm talking to one person whose you know relative loved one is communicating, and I don't involve the rest of the audience, the energy's gonna drop. So, so you know, talking to one person is great, but keeping everybody else engaged with the humour or you know, a comment or something, that's the key to that how I see the mediumship changing as well.
Jason 35:12 Well, you want to hold the room, hold the audience. Um, that's always something that I have been very, very aware of. And this is why I know that I was so sensitive when I was young. Because throughout my life, whenever I have stood in front of rooms, I'm always one of my worst fears is people turning off or looking like they're not holding attention. And actually, if there is someone like that in the room, it it I can really find that quite distracting, but but it doesn't happen, you know, a huge amount. Um sound like I'm blowing smoke up your own ass now. But I'm I'm you know, I think I am someone that is generally you put me in front, I'm generally entertaining. You know, my kit my thing is probably being a bit more serious at times, you know. But you know, I know that laughter is you even when I used to do magic when I was younger, it was comedy. I used to do this trick actually, which you know was very I don't think I'd do it these days, don't think it's in keeping with the times, but I was always a very charismatic young man. I used to take two blue silks and I used to tie them together, and I used to, you know, pick a lovely lady, maybe like yourself, actually. You'd have probably been a target of mine because of the thing. She looks quite nice, that one. She's not going to sort of roast me or be a heckler. But I'd tie my two blue silks together, and then I'd say, Look, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna take this red one right now and I'm gonna make it jump in between the two blue ones. But what I need is you just to tuck this down your top because it's gonna happen, and then what happens was I talk poo uh pull the two blue silks out, and then your bra would be attached to it. Obviously, not your real bra, but that was the type of magic, you know. I used to like a bit of comedy, but you know, there's a lot in mediumship because when we're doing it and we're talking through what we're getting, there is to bring that person to life involves more than the medium just saying what it is exactly that they're getting it, you've got to bring it all together, you've got to communicate it in the right way, and being able to communicate with spirit doesn't necessarily mean you're the most charismatic person because you know I have had readings, many, many, many, many, many readings in my time, and the ones that move me are the ones where the power is there, you can feel the essence, and to to get that type of message that I delivered one recently in Amsterdam, the late the first lady that I read for, she was crying and crying, crying. But you know what was interesting afterwards? She said she was a medium, and what you're saying about people knowing how to take it. When I, you know, this but being the perfect sitter enables the energy to keep building. I know when I need to say yes, I know to be quiet and not say something because every time I'm speaking, I'm taking the energy off the medium. Be quiet, but you need to power it. So I'm the ideal person because I give a very firm yes.
Nicola Farmer 38:10 You'd be my worst nightmare.
Jason 38:12 Oh well, you see, I'm a loud person anyway. I would adjust it obvious, obviously, for the setting. But yes, I do know who that is, and yes, I can take that. Yeah, I wouldn't be banging the table like I am now. But you know, there is something in people understanding that because you know, I well to put it this way, I used to go to a medium thinking, and this is crazy because my granddad was a medium, but like I said, I didn't ask him any questions. But I would go to a medium almost with sort of my arms crossed. Okay, I I want evidence, you know, I want proof. So, you know, and if you send my brother to a medium now, he will go there with this attitude of being very closed off. And I I say, Well, that's that's not really fueling. This was their job to prove. And I say, Well, uh, you know, if you it's not their job to prove anything to you, but in order for you to get the most out of the experience, if you're just gonna go in saying, Well, you know, nothing, then you well, you're not if someone comes to me like that and they're very close off, it's I I I work I can work with it, but straight away I want to get to the nub of okay, why are they like that? Why are they being uh you know in in this way?
Nicola Farmer 39:26 Have you ever stopped to ask them?
Jason 39:28 Yes, I have on uh I have on one occasion, but I haven't had many over uh you know, I don't have many people that come with that kind of attitude because I'm not sitting in a shop somewhere. You generally arrive on the Jason Paul website because you know me for some reason. But I you know, I've had it in when I I do love a psychic fair, and actually, you know, I've done readings in a lot of very hostile situations, you know, when I used to do the old psychic lines, and when someone's paying £1.40 a minute, if they're not hearing what they want, I tell you, the phone is hung up. So it's interesting.
Nicola Farmer 40:03 So you've got sitters' expectations are the biggest challenge. You know, there's nothing worse than the sitter waiting for the code word that they set up with their loved one, their mum, their dad, before they die. Do they go, right? Dad, when you come and communicate with me, say the word bananas. And and that's a a medium's worst nightmare because you know, you you say about that £1.40 a minute or whatever it is uh on on the line. Well, can you even begin to imagine if we could put it into monetary form, how much it's costing spirit to to communicate through a medium, and and they've got their son, daughter, you know, husband, wife sitting with the medium, and and the sitter's got this sort of overwhelming desire or need to hear A, B, and C, and the person in spirit's going, but I need to tell you this, and I need to tell you this, I need to share this, and and and it's like, whoa, everybody just step back a minute, step back. Because what I think mediums sometimes forget, and I've done it myself, is who do I actually work for?
Jason 41:17 It's a very good question. My mindset now in my mediumship is I'm working for the spirit person. That's who I'm work. That's that's who my not who my legal contract is with under consumer law, you know. Yeah, I'm not sure how that would stand up in a court, you know. I work for the spirit. Well, do you now? But there is, you know, it's an important distinction. It is an important distinction. My how and then you're gonna ask, okay, so who's the person that I'm reading for? That's the customer, the customer, you know, the client. I am there for them, but I have to understand who I'm working for. Because if my mindset, and it was at the very beginning, that's why I my mediumship for me it felt like a long journey. At the at the very beginning, I was working for the customer, but my head was in the customer the whole time and not with the spirit person. What's your view on that? Who are you working for?
Nicola Farmer 42:09 Oh, spirit every day. Because without a medium, spirit don't have a voice, you know, unless they go direct communication. But for me, my client is the spirit person, you know. The the receiver of the information is the client that's sitting there in the human form. But for me, my spirit always comes first, always, always come first.
Jason 42:36 It's it's interesting, isn't it? Because you are the receiver, you are the part of the telephone, and that's how I look at it now. And even my mediumship has changed so much in if I look in the last six months, because now I'm aware that the language I will use when I'm doing a reading is you know, once I've established who it is, you know, your mum tells me, and now she wants to talk about this, and now she wants to actually direct my attention over here to this. You and it's building on that energy because as soon as I always find in the connection as well, as soon as the spirit person has become identified, as long as you stay in that energy and in that power, as soon as they get in that confirmation constantly of your mum saying this and whatever, it's building and building and building on the energy, and even when I get a no, what I will do now is I will immediately go back, which brings me back into the energy, and I and it's normally a misinterpretation, and I and I understand why it's very hard to do to describe this because this is when you want to describe your mediumship, it's difficult. But I understand when I get a no, it's because I flicked over for a moment to left brain, and then what I've got to do is not allow the no to put me back in the thinking brain and get myself even you then you get one of those JCB moments, don't you, where you Drowning in the in the hole of nose, and then then you see the medium uh struggle to get out of it. But another thing that I keep seeing mediums do is they will say something, but then the next four sentences that come out of their mouth is they're describing what it's not rather than what it is.
Nicola Farmer 44:17 Yeah, I mean, let's just make it really clear. We're not picking holes in mediums here.
Jason 44:22 We're not sitting here as Michelin Star Food critics. I tell you that. We're not here with our rosettes uh willing to give any out.
Nicola Farmer 44:30 And and these are pure observations of things that you know we've watched and seen and experienced over many, many years. But I I really believe, Jason, that the more we become that essence of spirit, the more we tell the story. And when you're telling the story, there is no space for yes or no's. Because that story of a of a person's life that's passed over to the spirit world, and they're telling that their story through you to the person that's sitting with you or to the audience, it should flow so much that there's no space for a yes or a no. And and for me, if I have somebody say to me at the end of a one-to-one or wherever I am, whatever I'm doing, you know, that was just like sitting in Costa Coffee with my mum having a chat. That's where the healing begins. And for me, if I get that at the end of a reading, then you know, I'll go and celebrate every aspect of that reading because I gave myself to spirit.
Jason 45:42 And there's nothing like that feeling, is there, once you've had one of those moments. I like I like internally get the pom-poms out and start cheerleading on the sidelines. You've done well, lad, you've done well.
Nicola Farmer 45:53 I I always describe it as like you. I mean, I I don't often get people, you know, people's names in spirit, and quite frankly, I'm not interested in what their name was anyway. But if I sometimes go, oh, you know, um Jim wants you to know, and they go, That's his name, and and I'm and I'm going, Oh yeah, great. And on the inside, I'm going, Oh my god, that's freaking amazing! Well done, Nick. Keep going, keep going. So I describe it as like the swan gliding across the water, and she's peddling like crazy underneath to keep herself going. It is like that. Why shouldn't we celebrate those successes? You know, I I I was doing this charity one the other week, and and this she this guy was communicating, and both his ex-girlfriends were in the audience, and that they decided to sit side by side for the reading. He he was telling me that you know it he was really good looking. I'm saying, you know, he's really good looking, and and and I went and he was a bit on the chunky side, and I'll and I'm thinking, oh Nick, you shouldn't have said that. And then these two women went, that's what everybody used to call him, chunky. Now I had no intentions of you know belittling this man, but that's what he said.
Jason 47:07 But that's a level of you've got to a stage in your mediumship where there's enough trust and enough surrender, and even recently, I I do tend to attract a lot of funny spirit people, and I've noticed that I tend to attract certain personalities. Builders love me. I think it's something about my sense of humour. I've got builders' sense of humour. I seem to attract also a lot of people, ironically, that have um fallen down the same rabbit holes as me in life, you know, in problems. You do attract a lot of those. You know, I went for a period of attracting a lot of people who'd gone to the other world having suffered from addiction, and it almost I you know was a stage of me thinking, well, why is every single reading reflecting different stages of my life?
Nicola Farmer 47:53 No, you know what spirit said to me once don't be under any illusion, you only have word of mouth on earth.
Jason 48:02 What do they mean by that?
Nicola Farmer 48:03 That you feel that if you do a good job for a builder in spirit, they'll go and tell the other builders. And and it's true because I used to get this run of people that you know had taken their own lives. And I sat with spirit and I said, Why does this keep happening? And they said, Because you're doing a good job in presenting, you know, that way of passing to the spirit world. So, and that's when they said to me, We have word of mouth over here as well, you know.
Jason 48:33 It's so it's so fascinating, isn't it? Yeah, the boundless potential that we have.
Nicola Farmer 48:38 Totally, totally fascinating. And and you know something about mediums as well, Jason. We should never ever become complacent and never ever stop the wonderment of it.
Jason 48:53 That it blows my mind. That's why I just you know can't leave it alone because it, you know, I've started to become very much aware recently that my I I feel my granddad in spirit plays a far you know deeper role than I first realized. I believe that he's acting as almost like the receiver, and I feel that he's now moved into a position where he's become almost like a trainer from the other world. And I feel what happens, be and this has been proved by a few times recently, where spirit people who are trying to get across something will then use imagery of my granddad, which makes me feel that what the process could be up there, and obviously I will never know this, but I reckon you know, he says, Right, you've been identified, they want to work with you. I'm gonna get the sitter ready, you know, to sort of be able to speak your language. And then he goes through a period of training because my nan used to only ever come through with him. Then she went through a stage of speaking with him. Now it's like, uh, I don't need you anymore, Eddie Paul. You know, she comes through all by herself, um, you know, barging other people out the way. But that's you know, we will never know these things, and it blows my mind how even telepathically, how the neck the other world works, and uh how you know we can do that very much here, and we do do that through our mediumship.
Nicola Farmer 50:17 And you know, I I have that with my sister, she passed many, many years ago. In fact, she was the one who kicked my butt and got me on this journey through through dream state. But you know, I ask them, I say to them, what's the process? Tell me, you know, share that with me, tell me what you do there so I understand it in how it plays out what we do here, and and they're very open in sharing that, very, very open. But you know, it's we need to be inquisitive as mediums, but not during the message, not during the communication. So, you know, after I've finished a demo or a one-to-one, when when I'm on my own, I'll I'll connect with those spirit people again and say, How did I do? Did I did I give you, you know, the right story? Did I did I portray you in the right way? And you know, they quite often say, Yes, it was good, and but I say to them, but tell me what I could do differently. So so when I finish working with them, I'll sit and say, Teach me, show me what can I do, what can I do better, what could I have changed about that? And and that is such a powerful exercise.
Jason 51:35 Well, yeah, you're doing the trust pilot to the spirit world. Most people do the trust pilot to the to the paying client, you know.
Nicola Farmer 51:40 You're you're doing I don't care what the paying client thinks, I want to know what spirit thinks.
Jason 51:46 Well, it's you know, it's it's interesting because how many times have I done that? You know, not enough. That that that's for sure. I know another topic that you know you're very passionate about is science and mediumship. Now, these two subjects don't necessarily go side on side because it's safe to say, isn't it, that science proves mediumship is nonsense, and in mediumship proves science doesn't understand anything yet. And you know, these two areas do go back, you know, forward and backwards. But there is a lot at the moment in this new dawn that we seem to be in that you mentioned earlier. The two worlds are colliding, aren't they? They're coming together like more than ever before.
Nicola Farmer 52:26 Yeah, and you know why? Because science has suddenly realized, or not suddenly, science has realized that what we do as mediums and and the levels that we communicate on, you know, this is consciousness, and and in that level of consciousness, we know that there are uh they've studied the science of it. You know, I I've I've done some, I did a podcast with Tom Campbell, who wrote My Big Toe, you know, the theory of everything. And he he's a quantum physicist, and for the last 20 plus years, he has been bridging the gap between science and spirituality in in such a way that it's magnificent. But we've got to get past the fact that that they are separate because they're not. And and for me, when we are working as mediums, there is a science to it because we are delving into levels of consciousness that has been proven to have a conscious state that we we that that aren't tangible to the touch, but the tangibility is through the spirit. So for too long, they've been seen as separate entities and they're not, they're they're they're one.
Jason 53:43 Well, I think for a long time science has tried to prove what reality is, and mediumship is you know what raises the questions about consciousness, perception, information. It's uh but these two worlds are very close because I even for me, my brain works in that way, but I kind of think well, the levels of consciousness that is kind of science, that is frequency. That's and I can't think my my mind is already working in that way where the two worlds are connected. But I think it's because you get to a point, I think, when you're firstly to learn these things where you connect dots, and I've been connecting the dots over years now in how all these things interact, I want to say, with one another.
Nicola Farmer 54:27 Well, no, and you know, I've often questioned, and I do it so often, what does it mean to be spiritual? You know, that's a whole subject on its own. But for me, spirituality is when we actually become consciously aware of the deeper nature of who we are, and then we recognize our connection to all of life everywhere, and then we allow the awareness to influence how we live. And and if we look at those words in in scientific form, there is no difference because science are trying to prove something, and we're the living proof of it.
Jason 55:13 We are even the miracle of it. We're sitting here, all the thousands of ancestors that have been and gone before, and you know, the magic that it took to get us in this moment right now, in all we've been through all of our lives, every experience we've had to be here, you know, we can overlook that.
Nicola Farmer 55:33 I wonder, Jason, is this another million-dollar question? But I wonder how many mediums know who they are.
Jason 55:41 Yes, and it's it it's an interesting question because it's how truly do you really understand and know yourself? And I spent a long time in my life being the Jason I thought I should be, rather than the Jason I knew I was. And it's it's taken me, it's it's been a journey, and it it has been to learn that because even it was very complex to me, even just growing up as gay, because I didn't want it to be anyone other than who I was for a period of time, you know, shoved me in an old boys' school in Kent. You know, I certainly didn't want to be having the feelings I was having, so I was suppressing it. But for a long time, I tied my sensitivity to being gay. Yeah, you know, I've just said, Well, I'm gay, that's why I'm sensitive, you know. And it's you grow up in in the world and the reality that you live in, don't you? Other people say, Don't be so sensitive to that, you know. It's like beating out the medium within you word by word, isn't it?
Nicola Farmer 56:40 It is, but you know, spirituality isn't necessarily what we believe, you know, it's well, it is really how aware we are of how life changes the way we live. And and for me, I you don't wear a spiritual hat, you live it. You are the spiritual hat. And and I think that gets lost in in in so many ways with with in mediumship and psychic abilities, because it's not something we do, it's something that we are.
Jason 57:12 Uh uh it is, you know, at the beginning we started with human beings. I really do believe this. We have so much potential, we can achieve things that seem absolutely impossible beyond all you know physical. I wouldn't even believe some of the things I've seen over a period of time or what humans can do, but it doesn't necessarily mean believe hard enough and you can do absolutely anything. I think what it really means is we're far more capable, adaptable, and intuitive and expansive than sometimes the identities that we've constructed around ourselves.
Nicola Farmer 57:52 Exactly. And and it's about recognizing that we don't have to connect to anything, we don't connect to spirit, we don't connect to anything. We in our greater awareness, we understand that we are the connection, and and when we take that need to connect away, then we have this, you know, huge understanding that the greater source of life is through the connection to everything, including nature and each other. And this is just not about understanding uh how we're connected to each other, this is to the source of all life.
Jason 58:30 It is and when you live in that way, it's it's amazing on on what you can do and what you can achieve. And you know, I've I even recently life can flow, can't it? Not everything has to be difficult, not everything has to be a struggle, not everything should be, you know, take take loads of effort, things this but we we we just attach those labels to ourselves. So Nicola Farmer, uh what final words, thoughts would you like to leave us on today, then?
Nicola Farmer 59:01 I would say to everyone right now that it's not about believing in what is possible, it's knowing that you are that possibility, and everything that you think about of even attempting is always been there within you, and and you're not gonna find it outside of yourself, you're gonna find it inside yourself. So know what you're doing, whatever you are with your mediumship, your psychic abilities, your healing, or anything, the answers aren't outside you, they're inside. And when we get to know who we are and trust the process that we are capable of absolutely anything, because human potential is so much more than we could imagine, then you will stand up there and be that medium, and you will be that representative for spirit and be their voice and be the storyteller of somebody's life that has left this world and wants to share their memories, their their life stories, so that we know there is more to life than living in a human body.
Jason 01:00:07 And every possible outcome or thing you believe is a construct of a reality, probably already existing. But I won't start going down those rabbit holes.
Nicola Farmer 01:00:17 That's cool consciousness, Jason. Yes, yes.
Jason 01:00:20 Well, thank you for coming on. It's been a delight. If you do want to come to our mediumship evening, details in the show notes, Friday the 28th, 7:30 pm UK time. Nicola Farmer, thank you.
Nicola Farmer 01:00:31 Thanks, Jason. Loved it. Love you.
Jason 01:00:34 Oh, love you. Oh, my finger just slipped on the button there, just as I was about to say, love her, love you to her back. Um, I'm only looking forward to the platform evening. It's only three sleeps away until um I do that. Getting that little buzz of spirit energy in my stomach, I can feel it, can be mistaken for nerves, but no, it's spirit building energy. If you do want to come along, uh you're more than welcome. Love to see you there. Until then, lots of love.

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